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Re: Breaking News : Benazir Bhutto is dead..
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2008, 04:39:40 PM »
Watching a debate moderated by Sidhartha Basu on Pakistan.. very good one.

Imran Khan is very impressive.. hope he plays a bigger political role in Pakistan.

Imran is a great speaker and a royal figure ... but isnt he hob nobbing with the ultra right wing islamists? Wont he take them further into isolation?
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Re: Breaking News : Benazir Bhutto is dead..
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2008, 03:38:16 AM »
Watching a debate moderated by Sidhartha Basu on Pakistan.. very good one.

Imran Khan is very impressive.. hope he plays a bigger political role in Pakistan.

Imran is a great speaker and a royal figure ... but isnt he hob nobbing with the ultra right wing islamists? Wont he take them further into isolation?
I dont think that he is hob-nobbing with right wing islamists.. he clearly sees terrorism as a problem and has been saying that due to its spread, no politician is safe in Pakistan.

He definitely wants Pakistan to move away from America's influence.. which I think is fair.

My worry is he will not go far in Pakistan because he is a pathan and has little support from Punjabis, Sindhis and Mohajirs..who constitute the majority.
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Re: perceptive article on Pakistan, Islamic fundamentalism and Benazir
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2008, 06:12:50 AM »

Benazir Bhutto was a courageous, secular and liberal woman. But sadness at the demise of this courageous fighter should not mask the fact that as a pro-Western feudal leader who did little for the poor, she was as much a central part of Pakistan's problems as the solution to them.



what do these intellectuals collectively smoke?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6873494377103736291

this woman who waged war against india and exhorted jihadis to chop alive the governor of kashmir is being hailed as "'one of the outstanding leaders of our sub-continent, who always looked for reconciliation between India and Pakistan" by our moron pm. if she were alive she would have said usko man man, mo mo, han han kar do.



You can't be a Politician in the sub continent, but esp in Pak and Bangla AND be secular, can you? But I'd cut some slack here. It's to a degree an obvious obit piece with mandatory platitudes... The reality of Zulfi and Benazir Bhutto is surely quite different...

PS: Another way of looking at it might be that 'relatively speaking', Benazir 'appears' to be secular in a rogues gallery of Paki politicians and leaders that includes Zia-ul-Haq, Nawaaz Sharif, IMRAN KHAN et al...  ;D
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Re: Breaking News : Benazir Bhutto is dead..
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2008, 07:04:04 AM »
She resorted to anti-Indianism to please voters

 
Francois Gautier

 
December 31, 2007

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] described Benzair Bhutto as 'one of the outstanding leaders of our sub-continent, who always looked for reconciliation between India and Pakistan'.

Most magazines are doing cover stories on her.

Bhutto is on the verge of becoming a 'martyr of democracy'. It is a sad that a mother of three children was so brutally killed and we all mourn her terrible death.

Nevertheless, truth must be told. For, as usual, what the press says is not exactly what happened.

Firstly, under Bhutto, anti-Indian terrorism in the Kashmir region was fostered and increased. Benazir was also directly responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Kashmir.

"She was instrumental in sponsoring jihad, openly inciting militants to intensify terrorism in India," says Ajai Sahni, the executive director of the New Delhi-based Institute for Conflict Management. "I find it very difficult to discover a single element with her relationship to India that is positive and for the betterment of her country or the region," he adds.

Remember how she was shouting her slogans of azaadi, and exhorting the people of Kashmir to cut Jagmohan, then governor of the state, into pieces, as in "jag-jag, mo-mo, han-han". She would say this while making chopping motions with her right hand as it moved from her left wrist to the elbow, leaving nobody in any doubt as to what she meant.

Secondly, under Bhutto, the Taliban formed and, helped by Pakistan's intelligence service, swept across Afghanistan and later hosted Osama bin Laden. It is a bit of an irony that she may have been killed by the very people she helped foster if at all she was murdered.

Thirdly, she deliberately increased tension levels and then threatened India with a pre-emptive nuclear strike. The tension peaked when Bhutto repeated her late father's immortal boast of waging a 1,000-year war against India. Even Rajiv *hi was forced to mock her in Parliament, asking if those who talked of a 1,000-year war could last even a 1,000 hours.

And fourthly, in her last speech before she died, she alluded to India as one of the threats Pakistan had to face, implying that if she was elected she would deal firmly with it.

Then why is it that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calls her a friend of India and that Indians mount candlelight vigils in the Gateway of India for her?

I interviewed Benazir Bhutto [Images] twice, the second time as she was campaigning to be re-elected for a second term. The first question I asked, was about Kashmir, as she was the one who had called for Azad Kashmir, a Kashmir free from India, which had triggered the ethnic cleansing of most of the Hindus of the Valley of Kashmir -- 400,000 of them had to flee their ancestral land.

"You know," she answered, "You have to understand the Pakistani point of view on Kashmir. If one goes by the logic of Partition, then at least the Kashmir valley, which is in great majority Muslim -- and it should be emphasised that for long the Hindus Pandits in Kashmir exploited and dominated the Muslims, who are getting back at them today -- should have reverted to Pakistan. But let us say that officially we want to help grant Kashmiris their right to self-determination."

"That's the only reason?" I continued.

"No," answered Benazir. "It should be clear also that Pakistan never forgot the humiliating loss of Bangladesh at the hands of India, although India claims it only helped Bangladesh to gain its freedom in the face of what the Bangladeshis say was Pakistani genocide. Zia's emergence was a result of that humiliation."

"But Zia hanged your father�" I interrupted.

"Yes and I hate him and god the almighty already punished him for that," said Benazir, alluding to Zia's death in a plane crash. "But Zia did one thing right, he started the whole policy of proxy war by supporting the separatist movements in Punjab and Kashmir, as a way of getting back at India."

"What about Pakistan' nuclear bomb?" I asked.

"That's my father's work," she said proudly. "He realised, after having lost the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, that both numerically and strategically, we can never beat India in a conventional conflict. Thus he initiated the programme by saying that 'We will get the nuclear bomb, even if we have to eat grass'."

"But is it not a dangerous weapon if it falls in the hands of the fundamentalists of your country?" I asked.

"No such danger," Benazir answered. "Anyway, it is not only a deterrent against India's military conventional superiority and an answer to India's own nuclear capability, but also the ultimate weapon to re-assert Islam's moral superiority."

"We in Europe are going to unite in a Common Market, why don't Pakistan and India forget their differences and form some kind of confederation with other South Asian countries, instead of killing each other?" I asked.

"Pakistan and India were never one country," answered the imperious lady. "They were only kept together by force, whether by Mauryan, Moghul or British rule. Hindus have recognised the reality of Islam, and we needed our own country to feel free."

I was flabbergasted: here was a lady educated in Oxford and Harvard, who mouthed such irrational statements. She spoke good English, was pretty, articulate and pleased the press.

But when in power, she had to resort to anti-Indianism to please her voters. Her husband was known as Mr 10 Per Cent. She was hounded out of power twice for incompetence and corruption.

Is she then a martyr of democracy?

History will tell.

Francois Gautier is the editor in chief of Paris-based La Revue de l'Inde

 
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/dec/31gautier.htm
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Re: Breaking News : Benazir Bhutto is dead..
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2008, 03:05:31 PM »
honestly, who gives a #$^#$% if she was killed. why act so sympathetic and all that. she was as slimy as the next Pak politician, who all know the only way to make it big is be anti-India. booo hooo she had 3 kids. yeah, and i know the type of kids they were. and i know how filthy rich this female was - just go have a look at their multi million dollar mansion they built not too far from here. God knows where they pocketed all that from...furthermore she has all sorts of charges levelled against her, accused of murdering her own brother etc.
what i cant stomach the most was her ridiculous preaching after the bomb blast in October...to the graves of the 150 odd poor souls who died idiotically following her, she had the gall to say "they died in the name of democracy". yeah right herd up some poor people to make yourself look popular, lead them to their deaths, shamelessly be branded "brave" when they are the ones who died.
benazir disgusts me. she is of no great loss to Pakistan. their country is doomed in any case.
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Re: perceptive article on Pakistan, Islamic fundamentalism and Benazir
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2008, 10:22:53 PM »

Benazir Bhutto was a courageous, secular and liberal woman. But sadness at the demise of this courageous fighter should not mask the fact that as a pro-Western feudal leader who did little for the poor, she was as much a central part of Pakistan's problems as the solution to them.



what do these intellectuals collectively smoke?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6873494377103736291

this woman who waged war against india and exhorted jihadis to chop alive the governor of kashmir is being hailed as "'one of the outstanding leaders of our sub-continent, who always looked for reconciliation between India and Pakistan" by our moron pm. if she were alive she would have said usko man man, mo mo, han han kar do.



You can't be a Politician in the sub continent, but esp in Pak and Bangla AND be secular, can you? But I'd cut some slack here. It's to a degree an obvious obit piece with mandatory platitudes... The reality of Zulfi and Benazir Bhutto is surely quite different...

PS: Another way of looking at it might be that 'relatively speaking', Benazir 'appears' to be secular in a rogues gallery of Paki politicians and leaders that includes Zia-ul-Haq, Nawaaz Sharif, IMRAN KHAN et al...  ;D


secular is an irrelevant word when it comes to theocratic regimes where the only hindus left are danish kaneria and tapash baishya.
 
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Re: Breaking News : Benazir Bhutto is dead..
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2008, 05:12:22 PM »
Bhutto's servant under scanner
5 Jan 2008, 1301 hrs IST,PTI


Khalid Shahinshah has been on the run ever since the murder of Benazir (Picture Courtesy: Times Now)
 
ISLAMABAD: An absconding servant of slain former premier Benazir Bhutto, who aroused suspicion with his "strange gestures" while she was delivering her last address in Rawalpindi last week, could provide a clue to her killing, Pakistan People's Party workers said.

Khalid Shahinshah, who was hired by Bhutto on the recommendation of her security advisor Rahman Malik, has been on the run ever since footage emerged of the strange gestures he had made while standing on the dais next to Bhutto while she addressed an election rally.

Shahinshah was standing on Bhutto's left during her speech and ran a finger across his throat which implied slitting the throat. Security officials have expressed concern at his "suspicious gestures" which could not be ignored.

They told The News that his arrest could "provide answers to many questions".

According to PPP workers, after Bhutto's speech, Shahinshah was in a rush to get inside her bulletproof vehicle and did not hold the door open for the former premier.

Local TV channels have aired the footage of him making the strange gestures.

Shahinshah was usually the last person to get into Bhutto's vehicle and at times, when there was lack of space in the car, he would stand on its footboard.

After Bhutto's assassination, Shahinshah stayed at Zardari House, her home in Islamabad, for two days. He did not attend Bhutto's funeral in her ancestral village of Naudero in Sindh province and went there only on the third day after her death, The News reported.

Meanwhile, a team from Britain's Scotland Yard joined Pakistani sleuths to probe the assassination Benazir Bhutto on Saturday, with the government saying it would be given "complete freedom" to carry out its investigation.

The five-member team from the Metropolitan Police's Counter-Terrorism Command was briefed by Pakistani anti-terror experts on the investigations conducted so far into Bhutto's killing in a suicide attack last week.

The team flew into the federal capital a day after President Pervez Musharraf said he was "not fully satisfied" with the investigations so far.

Caretaker Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz Khan said the British team would be given "complete freedom" to conduct its probe. "We will let them work as they want to work," he said. 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Bhutto_aide_under_scanner/articleshow/2676824.cms
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Re: Breaking News : Benazir Bhutto is dead..
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2008, 05:14:23 PM »
New Benazir video surfaces a week after

NDTV Correspondent
Thursday, January 3, 2008 ()

It's been exactly a week since Benazir Bhutto was assassinated and almost every day there's been a new video released of the last few moments of her life.

The latest one in the series is unique, as it shows a frontal view of Benazir, waving from the sunroof of her car to supporters, just after her rally at Rawalpindi's Liaqat Bagh and also shows a close up of Benazir for the first time.

The visuals show Benazir first smiling and waving to her supporters and then wiping her forehead with a handkerchief, seconds later, there's firing and Benazir slumps inside the car.

Shortly afterwards there's an explosion, when the suicide bomber blows himself up.
 
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080037610
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