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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #440 on: December 04, 2007, 04:03:24 PM »
now delhi setting HP a target of 214 to score in 38 overs on a good batting pitch - that is a brave declaration

Bravery depends upon one's corresponding ability. After getting bundled out for 75 in the first innings, it doesn't take much bravery to defend 214 on the 4th innings.

huh????????

what is the connection between your batting getting bundled out for 75 and your bowling being able to defend 214???

where does this corresponding ability come in??

When your batting gets bundled out fro a paltry 75 in the first innings itself, you get the idea about the pitch to some extent, that it is bowler friendly. With that knowledge, I think 214 runs to defend in the 4th innings is not a very difficult task.......and requires no extraordinary bravery. You mentioned Bravery..............what I think is, it doesn't take much bravery.

Oh yeah .. and what about the small matter of 482 runs scored by Delhi in the second innings and the 343 runs scored by HP in the first innings?

Look..the pitch at Dharamsala is a bowler friendly pitch. It is difficult to go after a win with an asking rate of over 5 runs in the 4th innings.............and the results are showing.

So bowler friendly that HP got 343 and Delhi got 482 runs in an innings each!!!

If you apply yourself, it is possible to get that kind of runs in a bowler friendly pitch...which the teams did commendably.

This logic deserves a  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:  :icon_jokercolor:

leaves one speechless, eh? :D .. that is when i shifted my focus to the fantasy league scores!!
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #441 on: December 04, 2007, 04:45:59 PM »
now delhi setting HP a target of 214 to score in 38 overs on a good batting pitch - that is a brave declaration

Bravery depends upon one's corresponding ability. After getting bundled out for 75 in the first innings, it doesn't take much bravery to defend 214 on the 4th innings.

huh????????

what is the connection between your batting getting bundled out for 75 and your bowling being able to defend 214???

where does this corresponding ability come in??

When your batting gets bundled out fro a paltry 75 in the first innings itself, you get the idea about the pitch to some extent, that it is bowler friendly. With that knowledge, I think 214 runs to defend in the 4th innings is not a very difficult task.......and requires no extraordinary bravery. You mentioned Bravery..............what I think is, it doesn't take much bravery.

Oh yeah .. and what about the small matter of 482 runs scored by Delhi in the second innings and the 343 runs scored by HP in the first innings?

Look..the pitch at Dharamsala is a bowler friendly pitch. It is difficult to go after a win with an asking rate of over 5 runs in the 4th innings.............and the results are showing.

So bowler friendly that HP got 343 and Delhi got 482 runs in an innings each!!!

If you apply yourself, it is possible to get that kind of runs in a bowler friendly pitch...which the teams did commendably.

This logic deserves a  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:  :icon_jokercolor:

leaves one speechless, eh? :D .. that is when i shifted my focus to the fantasy league scores!!

It is good to live in a Fantasy world.......and play Fantasy cricket! :D
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #442 on: December 04, 2007, 04:57:43 PM »
assuming no miracle happens in the next 15 overs, my MOM = Misbah.
I may be inclined towards Jaffer as he had a 50 in the second innings also in addition to his wonderful batting on Day1.

he will probably get it but i think Misbah played a more crucial innings and under tremendous pressure.
Yes I agree but it would have been in vain had Younis not stood firm in the second innings. Actually Misbah is in my Fantasy team.

WJ gets it .. and I am buried in the fantasy league ... wonder how many people will leapfrog me!!

Not me.... but you can definitely slip under a lot of people  ;D ;D ;D

Rjo.... response awaited  ;)

Oh, KIC can definitely slip under me..... provided he doesn't stop in the middle.  ::Whip::
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #443 on: December 04, 2007, 07:04:36 PM »
Misbah should have been MOM
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #444 on: December 04, 2007, 07:08:00 PM »
Misbah should have been MOM
I totally agree.. even though WJ was in my fantasy team.
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #445 on: December 05, 2007, 03:51:36 AM »
now delhi setting HP a target of 214 to score in 38 overs on a good batting pitch - that is a brave declaration

Bravery depends upon one's corresponding ability. After getting bundled out for 75 in the first innings, it doesn't take much bravery to defend 214 on the 4th innings.

huh????????

what is the connection between your batting getting bundled out for 75 and your bowling being able to defend 214???

where does this corresponding ability come in??

When your batting gets bundled out fro a paltry 75 in the first innings itself, you get the idea about the pitch to some extent, that it is bowler friendly. With that knowledge, I think 214 runs to defend in the 4th innings is not a very difficult task.......and requires no extraordinary bravery. You mentioned Bravery..............what I think is, it doesn't take much bravery.

Oh yeah .. and what about the small matter of 482 runs scored by Delhi in the second innings and the 343 runs scored by HP in the first innings?

Look..the pitch at Dharamsala is a bowler friendly pitch. It is difficult to go after a win with an asking rate of over 5 runs in the 4th innings.............and the results are showing.

So bowler friendly that HP got 343 and Delhi got 482 runs in an innings each!!!

If you apply yourself, it is possible to get that kind of runs in a bowler friendly pitch...which the teams did commendably.

This logic deserves a  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:  :icon_jokercolor:

leaves one speechless, eh? :D .. that is when i shifted my focus to the fantasy league scores!!

It is good to live in a Fantasy world.......and play Fantasy cricket! :D

Yes it is. Especially when you work towards making fantasies come true!
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #446 on: December 05, 2007, 07:41:48 AM »
My big takeaway from this test..

AK+HS are no longer the match-winning spin-twins. They really need square turners with bounce to win. With no spinners in the pipeline..is it time to look for match-winning pacers?
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #447 on: December 06, 2007, 07:19:58 AM »
why ? do they have to deliver in every game for them to be match winners ? i dont think the last day was when we lost the plot. we lost it when dhoni batted like a fool on day 2.
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #448 on: December 06, 2007, 07:39:15 AM »
Also, dhoni and ganguly also batted like fools on D4. When you can score 42 in 7 overs on D5, when why not 42 of 7 on D4. Stupid batting in both innings cost us
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #449 on: December 06, 2007, 08:24:11 AM »
I agree. Look at the SL-England test match .. they set roughly the same target but with many more overs to bowl at England. And, they managed to get through at the fag end of the day .. with the new ball option available.

Unfortunately, India ruled out the second new ball option completely because of the late declaration!!
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #450 on: December 06, 2007, 08:54:28 AM »
http://www.krishcricket.com/html/articles/speakers.aspx?spid=1

Indian approach baffling
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If 616 runs inside two days and a wicket that offered some purchase for the spinners are not enough to force a win, what else possibly could? Frankly, the Indians' effort left much to be desired. Having got first use of this splendid pitch, the only thing that India did right was to post a tall score on the board. Everything else from there was not up to scratch.

No doubt the pair of Kamran Akmal and Misbah-ul-Haq applied themselves well, which being recognised batsmen they were only expected to do. What was appalling was the manner in which Mohammed Sami got away with stonewalling for ball after ball. If a tail-ender is allowed to bat for three sessions, then the opponents simply don't deserve to win.

There were periods of play where Sami was just allowed to defend. He was not attacked enough. He should have been taken out of his comfort zone. The pair of Zaheer Khan and Munaf Patel clearly lacked air speed. Unless there is a bowler who can hustle batsmen with pace India will continue to suffer like this as tail-enders continue to make merry. A perennial problem that seemed to have been solved in the last few seasons continues to rear its ugly head again.

Harbhajan Singh bowled a long spell and ended with five wickets in the first innings but if he is unable to strike on a fifth day wicket, it will be impossible for India to even win at home. This was a good strip for batting no doubt but it also offered turn and bounce for the spinners. Deliveries that got rid of Mohammed Yousuf and Kamran Akmal in the first innings proved beyond doubt the spinners had a lot to gain if they hit the right areas and operated at a slower speed. It only further reinforced the fact that our bowlers can stamp their authority only on bad wickets.

The Indian batting prospered, courtesy the toss Anil Kumble won. If Pakistan had batted first, the Test may have meandered to a boring draw. Dhoni's approach in both innings was baffling. If a technically correct player like Wasim Jaffer can pick runs at will against this attack, Dhoni should have done more. The team did not expect a big innings from him; all that was required was a cameo that would have helped the team declare quickly.

Dhoni was trying to hit the ball too hard. Even for a player blessed with awesome power, it will not be easy to deposit every ball into the stands. It required a calculated approach that Dhoni seemed incapable of delivering in the conditions. His lack of urgency in the second innings was deploring.

Only 340 overs of play was possible on the first four days as a total of 20 overs were lost. This effectively meant that India would have only 85 overs on the final day. Continuing to bat at a leisurely pace did not help the cause. The overall approach both with the bat and the effort on the field has to be much more positive.

Kumble wheeled away with his customary intensity and set a fine example for others to follow. He may have been a touch unlucky when a few appeals did not find favour with the umpires. He was one bowler who attacked throughout. If he had received support consistently from the other end India would have got closer.
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #451 on: December 06, 2007, 10:51:34 AM »
Cheeka has blamed Dhoni and not SG...................pt to be noted! :glasses3:
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« Reply #452 on: December 06, 2007, 03:27:22 PM »
I  blame Dhoni too .. he is fast turning into an SRT. Giving exessive importance to averages and stuff. I mean even Dravid could have easily done the kind of job (and better) that DHoni did in the second inns !
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« Reply #453 on: December 06, 2007, 05:44:29 PM »
I  blame Dhoni too .. he is fast turning into an SRT. Giving exessive importance to averages and stuff. I mean even Dravid could have easily done the kind of job (and better) that DHoni did in the second inns !
I suspect that is the reason KKK (and I assume other MSD fans) abandoned him and doesn't post anything related to him any more?
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Re: Ind vs Pak - 2nd test - Kolkata + Ind go 2-0 up in series (merged)
« Reply #454 on: December 07, 2007, 03:35:43 AM »
Maybe Dhoni is facing the heat from KKD!!! And, with calls for YS' inclusion into the side, he knows that he is only a few failures away from being replaced by KKD in the keeper's slot so that YS can come in.

Of course, we may be reading too much into 2 innings.
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« Reply #455 on: December 07, 2007, 04:37:06 AM »
in terms of wicket keeping there is never any comparison between KKD and MSD. KKD is miles ahead.
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