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There is something dirty in the air
« on: November 19, 2007, 04:30:10 PM »
....of Delhi that is

This is why our new found success is coming at a tremendous cost. I remember when I was in Delhi even in the late 80's and early 90's the pollution was starting to get bad BUT the explosion in the number of automobiles is now a serious health concern. They say that Delhi has more cars than ALL other metros put together (or it used to be true a few years ago)


I thought at one point Delhi was ahead of curve when they mandated the use of CNG for all commercial vehicles BUT it seems like the mindless and uncontrolled growth has left all those gains meaningless.

I havent been to India in a few years but over the last 7-8 years the fog related delays in delhi have become constant. It never used to be so.

Bigger question is, do we really have to emulate America in the kind of growth that will eventually kill us? Should there be some controls in the naked consumerism that we are blindly copying over from the west? Should we force our govt to think different?


http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/chi-pollution_nov19,0,3353168.story

New Delhi choking on its success

Rising car use voids past emission strides
By Laurie Goering | Tribune foreign correspondent
November 19, 2007
NEW DELHI - This capital city's air is always smoggy around Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights. This month, revelers explode hundreds of thousands of pounds of fireworks around the city, filling the air with a nearly unbreathable pall of smoke.

Families trying to deliver festive gifts to friends and relatives sit for hours in the worst traffic jams of the year; a trip that normally takes 10 minutes stretches to three hours or more.

But this year, the Diwali pall appears set to linger. After years of improvement, air quality in New Delhi is slipping precipitously as nearly 1,000 more cars a day hit the city's roads.




As wealth rises in the country, Indians are buying cars at an unprecedented pace. From 2001 to 2006, production rose 300 percent, and last year 4.8 million new cars were registered.

In New Delhi, 963 new vehicles nose onto jammed streets each day, up from 500 a day in 2001, according to the Center for Science and Environment, an Indian non-profit group.

That rate of growth is expected to dramatically speed up next year, when carmakers begin introducing budget models expected to sell for about $2,000, putting an automobile within the reach of millions more Indians.

"We have not yet worked out what impact that will have," said S.D. Makhijani, laboratory director of the government's Central Pollution Control Board. Government estimates of rising pollution levels, he said, are based on the number of vehicles on New Delhi's streets rising at a consistent level through 2010, something that is now unlikely.



Gains blow away

Until recently, New Delhi, one of the world's most polluted cities, had been making significant strides in cleaning up its choking air. Since 2002, the city's aging buses and its fleets of motorized rickshaws have been required to run on compressed natural gas, which emits fewer pollutants than diesel or gasoline.

City officials in recent years also have pushed to dramatically expand the subway system, capped the number of motorized rickshaws, required cleaner-burning fuels and forced all new light commercial vehicles to run on compressed natural gas.

By 2005, those measures had dropped levels of breathable particulate matter, a fine dust that contributes to asthma and lung cancer, by nearly 20 percent in the capital. That raised hopes that New Delhi's persistent winter smog might be easing.

But last year, pollution levels began rocketing upward. This winter, growing pollution is expected to erase all the gains of the anti-pollution campaign that started in 2002.

"We will have to take tough measures to control growing air pollution, and fast," said Sunita Narain, director of the Center for Science and Environment. "Otherwise Delhi will find itself in the choked and toxic haze of pre-compressed natural gas days."

Experts attribute much of the problem to the growing popularity of diesel cars, which use slightly cheaper fuel than their gasoline equivalents. They now account for 30 percent of all passenger cars on the road, up from 2 percent in 2001. Manufacturers that are promoting them predict the vehicles will be 50 percent of the market by 2010.



A byproduct of boom

Diesel cars burn cleaner than they once did, experts agree. But the government still allows them to emit higher levels of the toxic dust that is New Delhi's particular problem. That's evident at the city's hospitals, where doctors report a 15 percent surge in asthma this year.

New Delhi's problem is hardly unique. As both India and China enjoy surging economic growth, more and more of their people, who aspire to the same comforts the developed world enjoys, are buying cars and appliances such as air conditioners. Those things contribute not only to local air pollution -- Beijing now has the worst air of any major capital -- but to surging growth in atmospheric greenhouse gases, which drive climate change worldwide.

China is poised to surpass the United States as the world's biggest greenhouse gas producer by 2010, and possibly within as little as a year, scientist say.

New Delhi's pollution is worst in winter, when falling temperatures and calming winds trap noxious air closer to the ground, Makhijani said. The pollution, which combines with winter fog, regularly shuts the city's airport for hours at a time and leaves legions of residents with lingering coughs.

India has committed itself to meeting World Health Organization air quality standards by 2012 in all its major cities. But with levels of toxic dust now 4.6 times above the country's safety standards on the worst winter days, including Diwali, that seems unlikely, researchers say.

A rush to public transportation is unlikely, analysts say, as long as new cars keep getting cheaper and India's government maintains price controls that ensure a steady supply of cheap gasoline and diesel.

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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 03:59:01 PM »
But why are you starting a new thread? What it has got to do with SG? I am baffled.  :icon_scratch:
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 04:02:32 PM »
But why are you starting a new thread? What it has got to do with SG? I am baffled.  :icon_scratch:

I was thinking exactly the same thing when I opened this thread ;D
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 04:34:47 PM »
But why are you starting a new thread? What it has got to do with SG? I am baffled.  :icon_scratch:

I was seriously thinking of naming this thread with Ganguly, Bengal, Bihar or some such headline (For example: "Ganguly's flight adds to Delhi pollution" ) but decided to play nice during the holidays.

But think about it. I can bet that if the title was this one, I would have by now gotten 200 responses on this thread ... and straight comments that I made with the title I used got ZERO responses until my jodi-dar asked the question about SG.

See the point? No one likes non controvercial comments :)

So I will refrain from such in the future :)
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 04:36:26 PM »
But why are you starting a new thread? What it has got to do with SG? I am baffled.  :icon_scratch:

I was seriously thinking of naming this thread with Ganguly, Bengal, Bihar or some such headline (For example: "Ganguly's flight adds to Delhi pollution" ) but decided to play nice during the holidays.

But think about it. I can bet that if the title was this one, I would have by now gotten 200 responses on this thread ... and straight comments that I made with the title I used got ZERO responses until my jodi-dar asked the question about SG.

See the point? No one likes non controvercial comments :)

So I will refrain from such in the future :)

As LN found out with the post mortem thread :P
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 05:23:59 PM »
I am sure this is not specific to Delhi.
One way forward is to decentralize the cities, although I though Delhi did a lot of this in Gurgaon and Noida and other places.

The other way is to impose a city tax on car owners. I am sure the capitalists here love that idea :-)

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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 06:55:07 PM »
I am sure this is not specific to Delhi.
One way forward is to decentralize the cities, although I though Delhi did a lot of this in Gurgaon and Noida and other places.

The other way is to impose a city tax on car owners. I am sure the capitalists here love that idea :-)

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London has a tax on cars going in side zone 1. I think such a tax (in the range of Rs 1000 a day) would be a good idea for delhi. Specially since Subway has started. It really is convenient to take that.

But more than that ... the question that needs to be asked is .. whether what was done in US ... lots of consumerism ... cars for everyone and their brother ... is good for India? Can our environment and infrastructure handle it?

Should there be a HUGE HUGE Environment tax on cars?
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 06:04:23 PM »
I am all for environmental taxes which are prorated by size. The London model is being now studied by many European cities. It has indeed worked well. The city has ploughed the money back in excellent public transport facilities which is a necessary criteria for success. The size (engine size mainly) is also important. People buy SUV's these days just for the status symbol. They have no use especially in the cities.

In India, additional factor of pollution are the Auto Rickshaws. They need to turn green (somehow) or need to be banned in certain areas like they have done in Mumbai. What is lacking in most cities (except Mumbai where they have the pre-historic Padmini's that move forward from time to time and cause a lot of pollution) efficient and cost-effective taxies. Hopefully with Tata's "people's car" it will change.
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 06:48:09 AM »
The Delhi pollution has risen to pre-CNG levels again. Now they will not register any Diesel passenger cars, as per the latest directive.
But CP, I think there is nothing wrong in aping USA.
We must be careful in avoiding the pitfalls by studying the USA experiences.
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2007, 05:58:56 PM »
The Delhi pollution has risen to pre-CNG levels again. Now they will not register any Diesel passenger cars, as per the latest directive.
But CP, I think there is nothing wrong in aping USA.
We must be careful in avoiding the pitfalls by studying the USA experiences.

And I think that when US got on this dirty path was a different time. They have brought the world to the brink of disaster, if India follows them on that path the disaster would be complete.

There has got to be a better way
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Re: There is something dirty in the air
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2007, 08:53:27 PM »
I think there should be a global tribunal to decide on a retrospective penalty for global pollution — something that will make the playing field little more level through re-distribution, for newly developing economies [esp those on a path of rapid industrialization]. Only that will make the industrialized nations cut down on their already massive levels of pollution and waste, while it will incentivize the newly developing economies to adopt environment friendly technology and practices right from the outset.
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