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Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« on: November 07, 2007, 02:20:40 PM »
Last 5 matches in Mohali:
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** With matching oppsition a 250 Run pitch, obviously , with little bit bounce seamers preferred.
** IMO, India may keep the same team , or a bowlign change of one seamer coming in place of a spinner. I think three seamers + SG can do the job for us if needed. If additional seamer is there in place of spinner, than SRT can fill in (as long as he is in team  ;)  )
** Pakistan probably have to do more thinking than India .. Afridi seems to be their trump card with bat and ball , i think the others have to join the fun.
** I also feel that Dhoni has started promoting himself up the order, after KKK and media  swamped Dhoni with similar questions , he started practicing with new ball. My feel is he will conitinue to come after GG in next few matches for trying to save YS from Spin and also try something new.
YS being  a middle order batsman, i dont think we can save him from spin alot, but after 20-20 success, Dhoni feels that YS and RU may fit in 5 and 6 roles. or say after 35 overs.
** I also think India will be playing 5 bowlers here.
** SRT after rejecting captaincy will show some venagence, Reports have indicated that seniors are unhappy with board  about the mishandling and continuos threat for their positions.I am sure SG should be relaxed as he has been facing intense scrutiny form last 2 years or so.
** Younis Khan and MYousuf : The best site for the 1st ODI was to see Younis Khan struggling . Contributing a bit of that to wicket and another bit to homework done by bowlers on him, I somehow feel he will conitinnue to struggle .Pakistan though somehow always comes with a trump card who consistently performs against india in every series. This time it may be Salman Butt or MYousuf .

.. Pls add any more masala .



 


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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2007, 03:08:52 PM »
I think we should go with Praveen Kumar in case there the pitch is seam friendly. Also its a day night game so due in the evening can come into picture.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2007, 03:36:06 PM »
I think we should go with Praveen Kumar in case there the pitch is seam friendly. Also its a day night game so due in the evening can come into picture.

Thank you so much for taking his name. I personally after observing him in challenger, think he is a very key utility player in ODI's .. I have named him in so many of my posts, but I also believe, Dhoni and CO may have had a close look at him(and not find a complete product yet). I find PK a wicket taking bowler in shorter version of game where there is tendency to go for shots atleast once in every over. He being a new guy Pak players will tend to go for him more.
The problem here is, who will he replace. SS has not even being given a match.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2007, 04:07:25 PM »
I think we should go with Praveen Kumar in case there the pitch is seam friendly. Also its a day night game so due in the evening can come into picture.

Thank you so much for taking his name. I personally after observing him in challenger, think he is a very key utility player in ODI's .. I have named him in so many of my posts, but I also believe, Dhoni and CO may have had a close look at him(and not find a complete product yet). I find PK a wicket taking bowler in shorter version of game where their is tendency to go for shots atleast once in every over. He being a new guy Pak players will tend to go for him more.
The problem here is, who will he replace. SS has not even being given a match.

He will replace one of the spinners. We should do this only if the conditions are going to be seam friendly. But since spinners have done quite well in last few games it will not happen. SSS IMO shouldnt play unless we wanna give ZK some rest. I wouldnt mind going with same team in this game and winning it. We can look at making some changes from thrid game.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2007, 04:30:06 PM »
Spinners will (SHOULD) not be replaced. They have bowled extremely well. If anything ZK may be replaced by SS or PK (if this happens IP may open with RPS).
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2007, 04:46:44 PM »
Spinners will (SHOULD) not be replaced. They have bowled extremely well. If anything ZK may be replaced by SS or PK (if this happens IP may open with RPS).

If SS or PK plays they should open the bowling. Both are swing bowlers and PK doesnt have much pace so to be effective he has to be able to swing the ball. And i dont think it will be a good idea to play him in place of Zak it should be SS. Though i doubt we are going to drop ZK right now.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2007, 08:29:08 PM »
SS shud play - if nothing it brings excitement to the game  ::)
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2007, 09:04:25 PM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2007, 11:16:25 PM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

i agree.

the only question is whether we take another pacer instead of a spinner. mohali used to be known for a seaming wicket specially with grass left on.

also we should bat second if we win the toss. (dew factor + low lights)
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 11:31:20 PM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

We are expecting sweeps?

How much do we want to bet that these same 'fans' would start predicting 1-4 series if we just lose the next game.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 11:47:22 PM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

We are expecting sweeps?

How much do we want to bet that these same 'fans' would start predicting 1-4 series if we just lose the next game.

what is your prediction?
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 11:48:45 PM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

We are expecting sweeps?

How much do we want to bet that these same 'fans' would start predicting 1-4 series if we just lose the next game.

what is your prediction?

None. This team has too many unknowns for us to be making predictions.

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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2007, 12:01:10 AM »
Spinners will (SHOULD) not be replaced. They have bowled extremely well. If anything ZK may be replaced by SS or PK (if this happens IP may open with RPS).
Agreed the spinners bowled well.but if you looka t mohali's track record with the bounce and seam this pitch usually offers, spinners are mostly at the receving end , add to it the dew at the later stages. Seamers have alwasy performed better in this ground in last 10 matches i wold say. But i get your point , if three seamers cant get the job done , how come 4th seamer will get it? I apart from going almost wicketless the spinners have also given above average (team total)(generalised) runs. Thus thoug our spinners are bowleing well I would still go with 4 seamers and have HS rest a while. SS can come, not too picky on PK as Dexy said , they can with till third match .
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 12:32:26 AM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

We are expecting sweeps?

How much do we want to bet that these same 'fans' would start predicting 1-4 series if we just lose the next game.

what is your prediction?

None. This team has too many unknowns for us to be making predictions.



a classic case of chickening out if there was one.

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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2007, 12:40:46 AM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

We are expecting sweeps?

How much do we want to bet that these same 'fans' would start predicting 1-4 series if we just lose the next game.

what is your prediction?

None. This team has too many unknowns for us to be making predictions.



a classic case of chickening out if there was one.



How so? Do you like making diagnoses without proper reports/tests? This team has too many moving parts. The results change based on how many budhau's play on a given day. How selfish certain players are feeling on that day. You know ... unknowns
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2007, 01:02:37 AM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

We are expecting sweeps?

How much do we want to bet that these same 'fans' would start predicting 1-4 series if we just lose the next game.

what is your prediction?

None. This team has too many unknowns for us to be making predictions.



a classic case of chickening out if there was one.



How so? Do you like making diagnoses without proper reports/tests? This team has too many moving parts. The results change based on how many budhau's play on a given day. How selfish certain players are feeling on that day. You know ... unknowns

SG/SRT/GG(RD)/YS/MSD/RU/IP/HS/MK/ZK/RPS(SS)

two moving parts if at all. soch samajhke baat karna chahiye.

the team playing for us for some time. budhau's as you call them are not going to change much except one if we get a good lead. not many unknowns as you suggest but more of your excuses to back your theories.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2007, 03:28:27 AM »
SG/SRT/GG(RD)/YS/MSD/RU/IP/HS/MK/ZK/RPS(SS)

two moving parts if at all. soch samajhke baat karna chahiye.

the team playing for us for some time. budhau's as you call them are not going to change much except one if we get a good lead. not many unknowns as you suggest but more of your excuses to back your theories.

And thats the problem. Thats what makes us an issue
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2007, 04:23:37 AM »
if we take a 3-0 lead then we can try out every praveen, monoj, and badri

i agree.

the only question is whether we take another pacer instead of a spinner. mohali used to be known for a seaming wicket specially with grass left on.

also we should bat second if we win the toss. (dew factor + low lights)

I think this is probably only chance we have to got to see a few fast bowlers in action before aussie series , then why not try them instead of spinner ?
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2007, 04:34:34 AM »
Daljit Singh (the curator) says that he has left grass on and there will be bounce.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2007, 05:07:29 AM »
Daljit Singh (the curator) says that he has left grass on and there will be bounce.
i miss the bihar lovers on the forum or else someone would point out that daljit singh played ranji for bihar for a long time and was one of the best keepers at his time...
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2007, 05:09:02 AM »
soundbytes are that Sreesanth may come in for Kartik. Viru may sit out this one too. Also Tanvir for Rehamn is almost certain.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2007, 05:14:30 AM »
soundbytes are that Sreesanth may come in for Kartik. Viru may sit out this one too. Also Tanvir for Rehamn is almost certain.


Didn't Kartik bowl better than Bhajji in the last 2-3 matches  ???
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2007, 05:16:40 AM »
Daljit Singh (the curator) says that he has left grass on and there will be bounce.
i miss the bihar lovers on the forum or else someone would point out that daljit singh played ranji for bihar for a long time and was one of the best keepers at his time...

I remember seeing his brilliant keeping and batting for East Zone against a mighty West Indies.......which exhibited the early Vivian Richard in great form at Barabati stadium in Cuttack....may be in 1974 or 75, was it.
His diving catch to dismiss Roy Fredericks was brilliant.....something I hadn't experienced before.........and also his dasher of an innings to take EZ to a respectable score. He scored 49 n.o...if my memory serves me right ( I believe, they do). :)
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2007, 06:09:52 AM »
Bring in Viru and PK for one spinner and either of RPS and ZK. We will need a longer batting line up at Mohali.
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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2007, 06:16:48 AM »
Daljit Singh (the curator) says that he has left grass on and there will be bounce.
i miss the bihar lovers on the forum or else someone would point out that daljit singh played ranji for bihar for a long time and was one of the best keepers at his time...

I remember seeing his brilliant keeping and batting for East Zone against a mighty West Indies.......which exhibited the early Vivian Richard in great form at Barabati stadium in Cuttack....may be in 1974 or 75, was it.
His diving catch to dismiss Roy Fredericks was brilliant.....something I hadn't experienced before.........and also his dasher of an innings to take EZ to a respectable score. He scored 49 n.o...if my memory serves me right ( I believe, they do). :)

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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2007, 08:32:49 AM »
What is the team news? who won toss? No update on cricinfo or cricbuzz.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2007, 08:36:55 AM »
Toss India won the toss and have chosen to bat on a batting track.

Team news: Virender Sehwag comes in for Murali Kartik while Sohail Tanvir is in for Abdur Rehman.

*.. I replaced Sehwag from my fantasy team.
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2007, 08:45:31 AM »
me too. stupid fellows - the cut-off time should be match start time so that at least we have a 11 with all playing !!
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2007, 08:53:18 AM »
me too. stupid fellows - the cut-off time should be match start time so that at least we have a 11 with all playing !!

Dhoni seems to be a strong captain taking his own decisions without fear. He backed dropping RD. Sreesanth is not playing. I still have Sreesanth in my team. I expected him to play today considering Mohali pitch. Fine, as long as India wins, I don't mind coming last in the fantasy competition.

He openly told (to the press) that Sreesanth should control his aggression. Also expressed his reservations to Selectors about SG's SR.
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2007, 08:59:03 AM »
hmm i think it is a good move to bring in viroo for a bowler. i would have dropped bhajji and played kartik though.
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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2007, 09:04:05 AM »
Ganguly played with fire. GONE
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2007, 09:04:35 AM »
chi. daada is gone bowled off an inside edge...
im happy we have an extra bat in the team today, seems better balanced.
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« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2007, 09:05:08 AM »
Any body had SG as trump? -8.
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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2007, 09:05:25 AM »
why is no one on chat? no excuses, come get to it
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« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2007, 10:50:46 AM »
Sachin is my trump  ::cheers:: ::cheers:: ::cheers::
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« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2007, 11:44:58 AM »
bah dgians all suck. you should hang your heads in shame for not coming to chat. i will bring it up at the next mod meeting
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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2007, 01:09:13 PM »
hmm... GG hits another 50.. fluke-meister!!
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« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2007, 01:21:49 PM »
hmm... GG hits another 50.. fluke-meister!!

Aw!..all these fluky fifties! :(
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Re: Mohali Masala ODI-2 Ind- Pak
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2007, 05:25:10 PM »
Let us see what changes they make to this over-hyped team who always find excuses for losing.

Any way well done Pak. for chasing a mammoth total and winning on foreign soil. ::cheers::
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