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[Libran]

Shadow Boxing

Ganguly asks his detractors to come out in the open and voice their concerns
 
It is not for the first time in his career Sourav Ganguly has been accused of putting his self ahead of the team’s cause and it’s not for the first time those who are pointing fingers at him are unwilling to come out in the open with the allegations.

A few sections of the media have reported that the selectors and some of the senior players, are chaffed with Ganguly for his slow approach in the sixth one-dayer against Australia at Nagpur. The former captain was involved in a 140-run opening partnership with Sachin Tendulkar while chasing 317 for victory. He ended up scoring 86 from 111 deliveries and what really irked people was that he did not play to the team’s game plan of getting as many runs as possible during the third Power Play between over numbers 25 to 30. The other grouse was the number of dot balls (63) played out by the opener in his innings.

The selectors, meanwhile, are tight-lipped over the issue. Chairman of the selection committee Dilip Vengsarkar refused to comment saying that what the selectors discuss should remain with them.

But he did make a point worth mentioning. “How can we drop a player who has scored consistently?”

Indeed, since the time he has made a comeback in the national team, Ganguly still has to have two bad games in a row. His fielding and running between the wicket, however, remain a worry.

Ganguly, too, wasn’t willing to react when Mumbai Mirror reached him last night. “I can only reply if people come out in the open and talk. There’s no point in speaking at this point,” Ganguly said.


Logic Anyone?

Coming back to the game, Tendulkar had fallen in the 25th over and Dhoni made his move by sending Irfan Pathan in the pinch hitter’s role as the run-rate required was hovering around the seven-run mark.

Why he did not choose to send a more accomplished hard-hitters like Yuvraj Singh and Robin Uthappa, fresh from their exploits in the World Twenty20 Championships at that stage, or promote himself for that matter, is a bit baffling to us.

Nevertheless, those who understand the grammar of limited version of the game will tell you that in a 50-over game, unlike T20, the ground can’t be set alight from both ends of the pitch. If Pathan was promoted for the job it was his prerogative to go after the bowlers while Ganguly steadied the ship from the other end.

The all-rounder scored 29 in as many deliveries and amazingly when he departed in the 33rd over it was an out-of-form Rahul Dravid who walked in next while in-form men like Yuvraj, Dhoni and Uthappa warmed the benches with just 17 remaining in the innings.

The difference between victory and defeat on that day was 18 runs and by virtue of that win Australia wrapped up the seven-match series with a game to spare and unfortunately Dravid faced the axe.

For the record

Just for the record, Ganguly has never really been a run-a-ball batsman throughout his career. But out of the 22 hundreds that he has scored, 18 have been match-winning efforts while the 41 out of the 72 half centuries have resulted in wins for India.

That apart, statistics prove that whenever Ganguly and Tendulkar provide India with a flourishing start, it is seldom that India lose the game. Nagpur, unfortunately, was one of those occasions.




http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?page=article&sectid=59&contentid=20071031200710310232296257b714c3a

[feverpitch]

well.. if he is not selfish... he is a politician... or a bengali... or ungentlemanly... or mafia... or royalty... or ... ... ...

[arjun]

Who needs hard facts when malicious imagination can do a better job?

[Libran]

Who needs hard facts when malicious imagination can do a better job?

agreed .. Five Point Someone makes for some nice fiction reading

[Blwe_torch]

Thanks Ravi........for keeping he debate alive with facts and figures.

[feverpitch]

facts are such a drag

[ganavk]

What's new in this article?Title..may be ?  Members have already given more facts (dissecting over by over) than what is there in this column. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether he was studying the ship or trying to get it not sink, if captain wanted him to go after the bowling he did not and that's enough for all the facts.

[feverpitch]

What's new in this article?Title..may be ?  Members have already given more facts (dissecting over by over) than what is there in this column. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether he was studying the ship or trying to get it not sink, if captain wanted him to go after the bowling he did not and that's enough for all the facts.

The question is, did the captain ask him?

[Libran]

What's new in this article?Title..may be ?  Members have already given more facts (dissecting over by over) than what is there in this column. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether he was studying the ship or trying to get it not sink, if captain wanted him to go after the bowling he did not and that's enough for all the facts.

Did the captain say that ??

I recall Dhoni praising the opening stand and that we had a good start and all that jazz... unless the new captain is on a "Double speak" mode...

[Jai]

What's new in this article?Title..may be ?  Members have already given more facts (dissecting over by over) than what is there in this column. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether he was studying the ship or trying to get it not sink, if captain wanted him to go after the bowling he did not and that's enough for all the facts.

The question is, did the captain ask him?

And also why the captain preferred IKP and RD over YS, himself and RU? The target was very much gettable when RD came to bat. Logically doesn't make sense (I should add .....to most people)

[Libran]

Here is the Quote


Overall couple of catches and then their bowling was also the difference. We never got the wicket that we were looking for. In batting we were neck-to-neck in the initial stage. Then we lost wickets at the wrong time. First Sachin got out, then Sourav and the asking rate was about 7-8 per over. After that we never got the partnership and by the time Robin (Uthappa) and I got together it was also 10 runs an over," Dhoni said.

[ganavk]

What's new in this article?Title..may be ?  Members have already given more facts (dissecting over by over) than what is there in this column. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether he was studying the ship or trying to get it not sink, if captain wanted him to go after the bowling he did not and that's enough for all the facts.

Did the captain say that ??

I recall Dhoni praising the opening stand and that we had a good start and all that jazz... unless the new captain is on a "Double speak" mode...

Well..that's what came out of that selection meeting as I have read in reports.  Looks like Dhoni and Yuvi are indeed doing double speak.

[Libran]

What's new in this article?Title..may be ?  Members have already given more facts (dissecting over by over) than what is there in this column. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether he was studying the ship or trying to get it not sink, if captain wanted him to go after the bowling he did not and that's enough for all the facts.

Did the captain say that ??

I recall Dhoni praising the opening stand and that we had a good start and all that jazz... unless the new captain is on a "Double speak" mode...

Well..that's what came out of that selection meeting as I have read in reports.  Looks like Dhoni and Yuvi are indeed doing double speak.

Gullible

One selector source like many of these 'sources'.... I will not place credence on these... will give it as much importance as a player's mail to PP

[sudzz]

Bravo Bravo, this thread is a temple of Ganguly worshippers...

[Libran]

Bravo Bravo, this thread is a temple of Ganguly worshippers...

In Sourav we trust...leave the rest to God (on the offside)

[pipsqueak]

Bravo Bravo, this thread is a temple of Ganguly worshippers...

vaango, vaango, sudzz, namaskaram. kaapi?

[Blwe_torch]

Bravo Bravo, this thread is a temple of Ganguly worshippers...

vaango, vaango, sudzz, namaskaram. kaapi?

with or without sugar?

[pipsqueak]

Bravo Bravo, this thread is a temple of Ganguly worshippers...

vaango, vaango, sudzz, namaskaram. kaapi?

with or without sugar?

sugar ruins the taste of kapi - so no sugar of course!

[sudzz]

Bravo Bravo, this thread is a temple of Ganguly worshippers...

vaango, vaango, sudzz, namaskaram. kaapi?

with or without sugar?

sugar ruins the taste of kapi - so no sugar of course!

If Kaapi without sugar, If ODI without SG-these are the way things should be....

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[Cover Point]

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This is meant for everyone going forward since yesterday's accusers tend to be the accused today and today's accused tends to be the accuser tomorrow -- we need to put a stop to this game.

Any future references such as this will be removed / edited. In keeping with that, some posts will be edited on this thread itself.

Thank You! Thats all I have been asking since yesterday. Wish we could have done this in a nicer way

[OldPal]

Getting personal and attacking freely is another trend i have been observing lately. Sometimes there are 5-6 personal insulting posts before the thread is locked . I saw WN locking a thread immidiately once it started going the drain . I would request these kind of practices encouraged, any moderator watching undesirable discussions should lock the threads immediately and potentially move them out .. I know we are asking too much from moderators, but i believe this will help in some sense. IMO moderators are doing a good job and dont have to give clarifications to anybody.

[kban1]

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