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[OldPal]

This seems to be a high scoring pitch :
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1. KYA ROHIT SHARMA KO PLACE MILAGI ?
2. Legend has fixed his spot for next ODI .
3. BADRI SEEMS LIKE A COSMETIC CHANGE.
DHONI HAS BEEN SHOWING SOME GUTS WITH HIS TEAM SELECTION >>>
WILL ANY MAHARATHI SIT IN THIS ONE
SREESANTH AB TERA KYA HOGA ?? IKP AND RPS WILL STAY ..WILL ZK BE JUDGEN ON ONE OUTING .. or it would still be anger management break for SS.
Will DBV open his mouth before the next match or Niranjan shah will beat him there...

STAY tuned :::

[justforkix]

IMO, it will be same team except SS for ZK.

[gouravk]

Yep !

[Cover Point]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

[gouravk]

Mmm .. no ... dont think it will happen.

[OldPal]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership as long as Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure that we bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

[Vick]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership asa Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
 RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure thatwe bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

And he failed there miserably. RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

[Cover Point]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership asa Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
 RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure thatwe bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

And he failed there miserably. RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Very interesting that in the last year of ODI's since the GC's favorite player came back to the team, despite playing in the PP overs SG has a SR of 70 while Dravid has a SR of 85 at a 40+ average.

I guess you are right. It is RD who is struggling.

[Vick]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership asa Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
 RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure thatwe bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

And he failed there miserably. RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Very interesting that in the last year of ODI's since the GC's favorite player came back to the team, despite playing in the PP overs SG has a SR of 70 while Dravid has a SR of 85 at a 40+ average.

I guess you are right. It is RD who is struggling.

You dont really understand it, do you? I said RD failed when he batted at 3 or 4 or when ever he comes in to bat while the field is still in and there are no easy singles available. When he came in at those situations his SR used to be in early 60's and thats why he was on the verge of being dropped. And thats why even after scoring at 85(as per you) his SR is 2 points less than SG and neither is his average. Atleast average should be better since there is less risk involve after white ball stops doing things at around 15 overs mark.

[hastalavistababy]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership asa Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
 RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure thatwe bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

And he failed there miserably. RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Very interesting that in the last year of ODI's since the GC's favorite player came back to the team, despite playing in the PP overs SG has a SR of 70 while Dravid has a SR of 85 at a 40+ average.

I guess you are right. It is RD who is struggling.

Even I am die hard fan of RD I will not let you lie. 

                  Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv
RD            25   605  92*  35.58               
SG            25  1065  98      50.71   

[justforkix]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership asa Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
 RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure thatwe bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

And he failed there miserably. RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Very interesting that in the last year of ODI's since the GC's favorite player came back to the team, despite playing in the PP overs SG has a SR of 70 while Dravid has a SR of 85 at a 40+ average.

I guess you are right. It is RD who is struggling.

liar,liar,  under pants on fire
Even I am die hard fan of RD I will not let you lie. 

                  Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv
RD            25   605  92*  35.58               
SG            25  1065  98      50.71   

Wrong.
                  Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv
RD               29    816  92*  40.80

[gouravk]

Those who are lambasting are RD are shameless, to say the least.

[hastalavistababy]

Those who are lambasting are RD are shameless, to say the least.

Yes , I agree with you 100%. Those who are lambasting RD are shameless. it is true for people who are lambasting SG/SRT. So we have a lot of shameless people in this DG

[Cover Point]

I will stick my neck out and say atleast one of SRT or RD will be dropped. If I were a betting man it would be SRT.

Uthappa would open with tortoise (GC's pet).

SRT will play in Baroda .. He made a 100 their last time 
For whatever reasons(beyond debate), I will not disturb opening partnership asa Sachin is not injured.
I am confident scoring rate at baroda will be highier. RU,YS,MSD can play floating .. While Dravid has couple of Cameos in late order ..I firmly believe it is not his strength, I feel more comfortable sending IKP to slog then Dravid to Slog..
Also if RD has to come at No6 or No7  .. then why do we need RD?
 RD is a player who was /is traditionally needed to ensure thatwe bat 50 overs at position number 3 or 4

And he failed there miserably. RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Very interesting that in the last year of ODI's since the GC's favorite player came back to the team, despite playing in the PP overs SG has a SR of 70 while Dravid has a SR of 85 at a 40+ average.

I guess you are right. It is RD who is struggling.

liar,liar,  under pants on fire
Even I am die hard fan of RD I will not let you lie. 

                  Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv
RD            25   605  92*  35.58               
SG            25  1065  98      50.71   

Wrong.
                  Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv
RD               29    816  92*  40.80

Add the strike rates im the mix and we can really see the values of either of them.

[LosingNow]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

[poondu]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

WN,
I agree with your team. I would definitely open with KKD. RU seems to be good down the order, I am not sure he would have handled Lee's first spell.

[gouravk]

My team

SG
SRT
YS
RD
MSD
RU
IKP
HS
SS
ZK
RPS/MK - depending on wicket

[Cover Point]

My team

SG
RU
RD
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
Kartik
HS
RPS
SS

Rest SRT to get his mojo back. RD gets his #3 position back!

SG gets a another chance to play better than he did today.

RS gets a chance to play period!

[OldPal]

If I had to chose :
Mine 11 (unless anything changes in two days)
1.SG,SRT,RD ( ha ha ha -- laughing on self)
2.YS,RU,MSD
3.IKP,ZK,SS
4.MK,HS

Reasoning (as if it matters)
1. Though i want the youngesters play , at the same time, i am willing to retain what i think is a winning 11 combination.
though i have written a lot abt SRT's patchy inngs today , but you dont discount players who have played for years just based on one inngs 9Do we really know whether he slept last night or not). Also SRT has scored 130+ runs facing 200+ balls in this series and has spend enough time in middle. Thus i would like to have him if am willing to win this match. SG needs a partner .. who else understands him better then SRT
2. While SG selects himself (sorry bandhoon) , RD has scored a 31 , today being death i will discount it and grant only one failure as of now . His trole in team is slightly unclear .. If 2  wickets are down early then he comes in .. else waits till he is given a chance by his Captain .
3.YS,RU,MSD select themselves
4. IKP,SS,ZK -  Though RPS provided couple of crucial break thru's) I will get SS back .. as he has performed better against Aus. SS can extract more bounce from Baroda pitch then RPS (just my reading )
5.MK and HS also deserve based on their performance and also looking at baroda pitch , i believe pacers will get more hit then spinners.

[gouravk]

I agree with pankaj ... my point is depending on the pitch we can make a choice between RPS and MK.

[kban1]

Vick:

RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Again, on the money 

As I showed in another post during the Eng ODI series:

SG (all countries):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
22        1024        51.20        72.73

SG (Excluding minnows):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         796        44.22        74.67


RD (overall)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         744        41.33        82.85

RD (fall of an early wicket / no foundation built = PP overs with no singles on easy offer due to in field)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
11         414        37.64        70.89


RD (foundation built = singles on easy offer due to field spread out)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
7         264        44.00        113.79   

There is one outlier innings of 66 of 82 balls (80.49 SR), which if included in the RD innings total of no foudation present bumps his SR to 72.07 and his average in that category to 40.00   

[keep-it-cool]

Vick:

RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Again, on the money 

As I showed in another post during the Eng ODI series:

SG (all countries):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
22        1024        51.20        72.73

SG (Excluding minnows):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         796        44.22        74.67


RD (overall)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         744        41.33        82.85

RD (fall of an early wicket / no foundation built = PP overs with no singles on easy offer due to in field)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
11         414        37.64        70.89


RD (foundation built = singles on easy offer due to field spread out)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
7         264        44.00        113.79  

There is one outlier innings of 66 of 82 balls (80.49 SR), which if included in the RD innings total of no foudation present bumps his SR to 72.07 and his average in that category to 40.00   

And, why is this not included? I am sure there would be some outliers in every set of data up there.

I dont quite buy this comparison. The only fair way would then be to put SG in a situation where he is batting outside the powerplays - with and without a foundation.

The only thing that this data proves to me is that both RD and SG are wrong choices to bat in the power plays ... as such, RD is batting where he ought to more often than not, while SG is not.

[Libran]

Read somewhere that SRT has a bad leg muscle pull and may not be playing the next two ODIs and will return for the Mumbai ODI which will be his 400th

[keep-it-cool]

A very interesting aspect of SRT has been his cramping in matches while he is batting ... surprisingly, the timing of the cramps is never a function of time / overs .. it is much more closely correlated to his score ... he cramped at the Oval when he got to his eighties (around the 20th over) .. sometimes he cramps in the thirtieth or fortieth over .. but again in the eighties .. yesterday, he was just about to pull up, I guess before Lee got him out.

[kban1]

And, why is this not included? I am sure there would be some outliers in every set of data up there.

Simple -- because this analysis including the innings by innings break down was provided in another thread. And in that thread, this outlier was excluded because the point when RD came into bat could neither be classified as a solid foundation, neither could it be classified as a weak foundation.

Which is exactly why the alternate stats is provided after including this outlier in the calculations.

I dont quite buy this comparison. The only fair way would then be to put SG in a situation where he is batting outside the powerplays - with and without a foundation.

This is not a comparison at all. The intent was to show that RD's overall strike rate of 82+ can be deconstructed into 2 parts -- one where foundation is built (batting outside of power plays) and one where there is no foundation (batting inside of power plays).

It was made in reference to a few posts earlier in the thread and is not meant to show that RD is better or worse than SG.

The only thing that this data proves to me is that both RD and SG are wrong choices to bat in the power plays ... as such, RD is batting where he ought to more often than not, while SG is not.

This is a tangential point to the main discussion. Also tangential to my intent of showing that RD and SG are not much different when playing in PP conditions.

However, the assertion that both of them deserve not to be playing in the PP's is your assertion. I respectfully disagree.

I feel that given our resources (PP's also tend to coincide with the beginning of an innings with fresh conditions, fresh bowlers, a ball that moves), SG and RD (SRT as well) are the main candidates to play there since the others have not shown to me either the guts or the technique to last out there in those situations.

I agree that the SR in PP's can be improved by both, but its not abominably low to support the assertion that neither should bat in PP's, especially given our resources and given the repeated manifestations that show a solid, if slightly slower start gives our team more chances for success.

we have discussed this issue in detail and in depth on numerous threads and on chat too --aided by statistics and by cricketing logic. This is just a fundamental difference in our thinking and I honestly do not think we shall agree on it. Which is fair enough -- we dont have to agree on everything.

[keep-it-cool]

Yeah .. i know we have discussed this in depth earlier ... just a slow morning at work!

[LosingNow]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

WN,
I agree with your team. I would definitely open with KKD. RU seems to be good down the order, I am not sure he would have handled Lee's first spell.

Just a wild thought.. can they draft YP for Vadodara.

I would not mind YP opening or playing the slogger role at 6. We can replace RU/KKD with RU/YP in the line up. This may surprise the Aussies too...and YP should be at home in Vadodara.

[Cover Point]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

WN,
I agree with your team. I would definitely open with KKD. RU seems to be good down the order, I am not sure he would have handled Lee's first spell.

Just a wild thought.. can they draft YP for Vadodara.

I would not mind YP opening or playing the slogger role at 6. We can replace RU/KKD with RU/YP in the line up. This may surprise the Aussies too...and YP should be at home in Vadodara.

Who would they replace. Not RU? Yikes!

[Jai]

Instead of making wild selections, I'll choose to be realistic. If media reports are to be believed, SRT is certain to miss this ODI and even the next one. And without SRT, the management is not going to drop RD. So there's only one replacement for the batsmen and my vote will go for RS ahead of KKD. ZK had just come back from a break and he's already looking tired? He's unlikely to be rested and I think there will be no changes in the bowling department.

[LosingNow]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

WN,
I agree with your team. I would definitely open with KKD. RU seems to be good down the order, I am not sure he would have handled Lee's first spell.

Just a wild thought.. can they draft YP for Vadodara.

I would not mind YP opening or playing the slogger role at 6. We can replace RU/KKD with RU/YP in the line up. This may surprise the Aussies too...and YP should be at home in Vadodara.

Who would they replace. Not RU? Yikes!

Boss.. can you please read the post.. I am suggesting replacing KKD in the RU/KKD combo

[Cover Point]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

WN,
I agree with your team. I would definitely open with KKD. RU seems to be good down the order, I am not sure he would have handled Lee's first spell.

Just a wild thought.. can they draft YP for Vadodara.

I would not mind YP opening or playing the slogger role at 6. We can replace RU/KKD with RU/YP in the line up. This may surprise the Aussies too...and YP should be at home in Vadodara.

Who would they replace. Not RU? Yikes!

Boss.. can you please read the post.. I am suggesting replacing KKD in the RU/KKD combo

But KKD isnt playing... is he?

[LosingNow]

cp: in my suggested lineup, sir!

[justforkix]

It is a travesty that the likes of Sharma are sitting out while SRT/RD are struggling. One of them (if not both) need to be dropped ("rested").

Also, hats off to RPS.. this guy has some cojones.. he got shafted around but came back well in the end.

ZK looks very tired..he truly needs to be rested.

My team for Baroda:
RU/KKD
SG
YS
MSD
RS
KKD/RU
IKP
HS
MK
RPS
SS

WN,
I agree with your team. I would definitely open with KKD. RU seems to be good down the order, I am not sure he would have handled Lee's first spell.

Just a wild thought.. can they draft YP for Vadodara.

I would not mind YP opening or playing the slogger role at 6. We can replace RU/KKD with RU/YP in the line up. This may surprise the Aussies too...and YP should be at home in Vadodara.

Who would they replace. Not RU? Yikes!

Boss.. can you please read the post.. I am suggesting replacing KKD in the RU/KKD combo

But KKD isnt playing... is he?

Mega TL Alert !!!!

[OldPal]

Instead of making wild selections, I'll choose to be realistic. If media reports are to be believed, SRT is certain to miss this ODI and even the next one. And without SRT, the management is not going to drop RD. So there's only one replacement for the batsmen and my vote will go for RS ahead of KKD. ZK had just come back from a break and he's already looking tired? He's unlikely to be rested and I think there will be no changes in the bowling department.

I agree with this . given SRT not playing . essentially we are looking for an opener.
Options are RU and KKD. Though i am slightly uncomfortable exposing RU (realise he has opened), also think that in Baroda the ball won't move all that much early on. Thus he should be able ot negotiate the opening spell. With Opening settled .. among KKD,RS,Badri - will go with RS .
Were it had been a different pitch say Mohali ... would have selected KKD and had RU come after 5 -7 overs .

[Cover Point]

cp: in my suggested lineup, sir!

Sorry.. have been in meetings ... mega speed reading

[amit_c]

Vick:

RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Again, on the money 

As I showed in another post during the Eng ODI series:

SG (all countries):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
22        1024        51.20        72.73

SG (Excluding minnows):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         796        44.22        74.67


RD (overall)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         744        41.33        82.85

RD (fall of an early wicket / no foundation built = PP overs with no singles on easy offer due to in field)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
11         414        37.64        70.89


RD (foundation built = singles on easy offer due to field spread out)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
7         264        44.00        113.79   

There is one outlier innings of 66 of 82 balls (80.49 SR), which if included in the RD innings total of no foudation present bumps his SR to 72.07 and his average in that category to 40.00   

Kban,

Thanks, nice work. I have been thinking lately about what position Dravid would have to play to maximize his
utility to the team, given this late stage in his career. Assuming Sachin/Ganguly are both playing, they would
have to open; no argument there. Dravid clearly has been our best #3 over the years and an ideal shepherd to
hold an innings together , but shouldn't Yuvraj slide in there now given his form and hitting abilities in
powerplays ? On the other hand, has Yuvraj shown us that he can handle new-ball swing with conviction ?
I really wish he firms up that aspect of his batting.

At this point, I am still inclined to send in RD at #3 if we lose an early wicket or 2. I do think sending him
in the 42nd over to slog does him and the team a disservice.

[Vick]

Vick:

RD succeeds as long as when he comes in field is spread out and there are easy singles available. RD always struggled when he couldnt find easy singles at the start of his inning.

Again, on the money 

As I showed in another post during the Eng ODI series:

SG (all countries):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
22        1024        51.20        72.73

SG (Excluding minnows):
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         796        44.22        74.67


RD (overall)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
19         744        41.33        82.85

RD (fall of an early wicket / no foundation built = PP overs with no singles on easy offer due to in field)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
11         414        37.64        70.89


RD (foundation built = singles on easy offer due to field spread out)
I           Runs        Avg           SR
7         264        44.00        113.79   

There is one outlier innings of 66 of 82 balls (80.49 SR), which if included in the RD innings total of no foudation present bumps his SR to 72.07 and his average in that category to 40.00   

Kban,

Thanks, nice work. I have been thinking lately about what position Dravid would have to play to maximize his
utility to the team, given this late stage in his career. Assuming Sachin/Ganguly are both playing, they would
have to open; no argument there. Dravid clearly has been our best #3 over the years and an ideal shepherd to
hold an innings together , but shouldn't Yuvraj slide in there now given his form and hitting abilities in
powerplays ? On the other hand, has Yuvraj shown us that he can handle new-ball swing with conviction ?
I really wish he firms up that aspect of his batting.

At this point, I am still inclined to send in RD at #3 if we lose an early wicket or 2. I do think sending him
in the 42nd over to slog does him and the team a disservice.

Dravid was never a good number 3 in ODIs, he has been great in Tests as he never is under pressure to score fast and can take time to stablish his inning. He failed at that position mostly in ODIs. We need someone who is good against fast bowling and can do both the jobs. He should be the best bastman in the team and that IMO Yuvi isnt. We should have identifed this huge loophole in our batting line up after WC debacle and tried few guys. IMO out of the new guys i would like to try RS for this position and if he fails then Raina. Both should get atleast 6-8 continous ODI to get a feel.

GG, Uthappa, Veeru are not right for this position. I will prefer RU for #5 as he plays spinners decently, is a good runner and can hit big if required. GG and VS should continue to fight for openers slot with KKD in waiting.

[justforkix]

Dravid was never a good number 3 in ODIs, he has been great in Tests as he never is under pressure to score fast and can take time to stablish his inning. He failed at that position mostly in ODIs. We need someone who is good against fast bowling and can do both the jobs. He should be the best bastman in the team and that IMO Yuvi isnt. We should have identifed this huge loophole in our batting line up after WC debacle and tried few guys. IMO out of the new guys i would like to try RS for this position and if he fails then Raina. Both should get atleast 6-8 continous ODI to get a feel.

GG, Uthappa, Veeru are not right for this position. I will prefer RU for #5 as he plays spinners decently, is a good runner and can hit big if required. GG and VS should continue to fight for openers slot with KKD in waiting.

I know you disagree, but I believe Badri can be that #3 we are looking for. IMO, his technique seems sound and can innovate if needed (from ODI#3 Ind-SA A).

From what I have seen of Rohit and Raina, they don't seem technically tight enough for #3.

[gouravk]

There was one VVS who was doing great as a #3 not so long ago ... 

[Cover Point]

There was one VVS who was doing great as a #3 not so long ago ... 

Not long ago as in 2001.

How old is Lakhan now ... 89?