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[OldPal]

Huh I forgot the bus number form secundrabad to UPPAL- was it 37 ? any hyderabadi around...

Anyway one of the better stadiums in country ..
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/311040.html
No rain Hyd should be dry during this time .. Actually Kochi worked out great ,Based on whatever i  read and heard, usually their is no rain around this time as the mansoon moves away about a month earlier, we got unlucky(rain) and lucky(dry) and then unlucky(loss).
Bangalore that way was ill chosen as Oct-Nov were the hardest raining ...

Anyway coming back to Uppal:
1. I dont know what to say abt team selection - Drop RP and HS and get RS and RPS ? not sure ..
2. I personaly don't blame the bowlers for giving 300+ runs..Most of the games recently have been becoming high scoring games.
For me i would just blame the batsmen flatout for not even getting close to it ..
Let 222 runs not deceive us... Recently(after sehwag's departure) the phenomen of playing slowly early and losing the wickets while accelerating, is leaving us  loser in the 25th over mark ...
Aus were 8/2 in this match and had made 300 + , Last match they were 4 chips down and still crossed 300 + .. Thus I wil pick Batsman for not even giving us a chance.. I see 300 +  totals becoming norm  going forward . Thus the batting has to share a blame

There is not much i can say, Everybody has to come and play good.
This match we were just outplayed apart from talking. Not sure if Toss etc will matter that much..
I dont even want to think where we want to improve.. All i want is RS in this team .. let him play ....Maharathis don't seem to make any difference , so why not let some youngi's play ..
SRT has been twice already .. can we dare sit him for one match ? or RD that way ..
I hope they don't rest RU to pave way for SG ..

RS will also be there in UPPAL i guess..
In the last match that was played .. it was bowlers that scored more runs.. thus it may not be a bad idea to go with 6 bowlers 
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/225959.html

[LosingNow]

This will be interesting now...

SG comes in and they will drop GG (because he played the poorest among the non-maharathis). Infriggincredible

[gouravk]

Somehow the word "interesting" doesnt quite go with this particualr series. 

[Cover Point]

This will be interesting now...

SG comes in and they will drop GG (because he played the poorest among the non-maharathis). Infriggincredible

Isnt it.

And the maharathis :

SRT: Two failures in two matches
RD: One failure
SG: Injured running slowly after the ball.

...will all play. And while GG/RU fight for one spot ... poor RS doesnt even get a lookin despite playing great in the very little chances he got.

Next match really both SG and RD should sit. Play the poor RS ... he will else get dropped again after performing poorly like he did in England.

[gouravk]

mmm ... why exactly is RD's performance today classfied as a "failure" ?

[Cover Point]

mmm ... why exactly is RD's performance today classfied as a "failure" ?

31 off 48 balls chasing 300+ you do the math!!!

Heck he was almost Ganguliesque!

[gouravk]

Yeah, but he came in at 79/3 when the run rate was good, left at 136 when the runrate was still decent ... the need of the hour was to build a long innings not to accelerate ... while I agree he didnt do what was needed ( i.e. score a hundred) ... the way he was going about it was not wrong. Plus he was the third highest scorer and given the futility of Dhonis innings, one can say he was probably the second best batsman on the day (I donno how Utthappa got out, so cant comment)

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

can't believe that this is the team that won the 20-20 world cup. we cannot bowl at the death, we cannot accelerate. shows how poorly the other teams were performing at the 20-20 cup
I am also inclined to believe that our team would do better in conditions that suit seam and swing rather than the patta wickets.

[gouravk]

quite simply this is NOT the team that won the 2020 WC

[pipsqueak]

Yeah, but he came in at 79/3 when the run rate was good, left at 136 when the runrate was still decent ... the need of the hour was to build a long innings not to accelerate ... while I agree he didnt do what was needed ( i.e. score a hundred) ... the way he was going about it was not wrong. Plus he was the third highest scorer and given the futility of Dhonis innings, one can say he was probably the second best batsman on the day (I donno how Utthappa got out, so cant comment)

just like in a country of blind, one-eyed man is the king? 

[gouravk]

if you must have it that way, yes.

[pipsqueak]

if you must have it that way, yes.

truth has to be had - no choice, u see. btw, "best batsmen of the day" includes the aussies too?

[gouravk]

no, of course not - isnt it obvios ?

[pipsqueak]

no, of course not - isnt it obvios ?

no.

[WicketView]

can't believe that this is the team that won the 20-20 world cup. we cannot bowl at the death, we cannot accelerate. shows how poorly the other teams were performing at the 20-20 cup

I am also inclined to believe that our team would do better in conditions that suit seam and swing rather than the patta wickets.

Completely agree with that!

[gouravk]

Amen. I hope Hyderabad gives a nice seaming wicket.

[indcric]

Huh I forgot the bus number form secundrabad to UPPAL- was it 37 ? any hyderabadi around...

Anyway one of the better stadiums in country ..
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/311040.html
No rain Hyd should be dry during this time .. Actually Kochi worked out great ,Based on whatever i  read and heard, usually their is no rain around this time as the mansoon moves away about a month earlier, we got unlucky(rain) and lucky(dry) and then unlucky(loss).
Bangalore that way was ill chosen as Oct-Nov were the hardest raining ...

Anyway coming back to Uppal:
1. I dont know what to say abt team selection - Drop RP and HS and get RS and RPS ? not sure ..
2. I personaly don't blame the bowlers for giving 300+ runs..Most of the games recently have been becoming high scoring games.
For me i would just blame the batsmen flatout for not even getting close to it ..
Let 222 runs not deceive us... Recently(after sehwag's departure) the phenomen of playing slowly early and losing the wickets while accelerating, is leaving us  loser in the 25th over mark ...
Aus were 8/2 in this match and had made 300 + , Last match they were 4 chips down and still crossed 300 + .. Thus I wil pick Batsman for not even giving us a chance.. I see 300 +  totals becoming norm  going forward . Thus the batting has to share a blame

There is not much i can say, Everybody has to come and play good.
This match we were just outplayed apart from talking. Not sure if Toss etc will matter that much..
I dont even want to think where we want to improve.. All i want is RS in this team .. let him play ....Maharathis don't seem to make any difference , so why not let some youngi's play ..
SRT has been twice already .. can we dare sit him for one match ? or RD that way ..
I hope they don't rest RU to pave way for SG ..

RS will also be there in UPPAL i guess..
In the last match that was played .. it was bowlers that scored more runs.. thus it may not be a bad idea to go with 6 bowlers 
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/225959.html

http://www.reachouthyderabad.com/travel/routes.htm

No.18. Secunderabad to Uppal. For every match, you do a nice home work and make us all do it on the DG. Wonder whether Indian team management goes through this exercise 2 days before the match. 

[justforkix]

This will be interesting now...

SG comes in and they will drop GG (because he played the poorest among the non-maharathis). Infriggincredible

Isnt it.

And the maharathis :

SRT: Two failures in two matches
RD: One failure
SG: Injured running slowly after the ball.

...will all play. And while GG/RU fight for one spot ... poor RS doesnt even get a lookin despite playing great in the very little chances he got.

Next match really both SG and RD should sit. Play the poor RS ... he will else get dropped again after performing poorly like he did in England.

HUH ?!? SG sits out without playing a game. RD sits out after 31(48), while SRT stays in with 2 failures and total of 16(31) - seems illogical

[WicketView]

Amen. I hope Hyderabad gives a nice seaming wicket.

The important thing of course is that it stays the same way in both inns. Typically, these days, it is bowling friendly during the first half, and then the match is decided by the toss of a coin.

[justforkix]

Punter and Bracken are available to play on Friday 

[Libran]

HUH ?!? SG sits out without playing a game. RD sits out after 31(48), while SRT stays in with 2 failures and total of 16(31) - seems illogical

And you took the trouble to analyze and respond... I am amazed 

[gouravk]

Amen. I hope Hyderabad gives a nice seaming wicket.

The important thing of course is that it stays the same way in both inns. Typically, these days, it is bowling friendly during the first half, and then the match is decided by the toss of a coin.

Yes this is another reason why 2020 scores over 5050. pitch stays virtually the same throughout. of course in test cricket too pitch changes, but it changes enough to give both teams a chance. 2020 is nice and short, test cricket is nice and long, 5050 is nothing but a compromise.

[Cover Point]

This will be interesting now...

SG comes in and they will drop GG (because he played the poorest among the non-maharathis). Infriggincredible

Isnt it.

And the maharathis :

SRT: Two failures in two matches
RD: One failure
SG: Injured running slowly after the ball.

...will all play. And while GG/RU fight for one spot ... poor RS doesnt even get a lookin despite playing great in the very little chances he got.

Next match really both SG and RD should sit. Play the poor RS ... he will else get dropped again after performing poorly like he did in England.

HUH ?!? SG sits out without playing a game. RD sits out after 31(48), while SRT stays in with 2 failures and total of 16(31) - seems illogical

Because SG doesnt belong on the ODI field. He is just in the team as a back up and to ensure we dont have 'communal' folk get back into the business of buring effigies etc.

So I would play him only when both the other maharathis cant (or should not) play.  SRT is the best of the maharathis in ODI's. Thus willing to give him another chance at the expense of RD.

Most important point is that not more than one maharathis plays .... who that one maharathi is wont make much of a difference.

[justforkix]

So I would play him only when both the other maharathis cant (or should not) play.  SRT is the best of the maharathis in ODI's. Thus willing to give him another chance at the expense of RD.

Most important point is that not more than one maharathis plays .... who that one maharathi is wont make much of a difference.

Why will you play even one ?!? I will play none of the 3.

[fineleg]

So I would play him only when both the other maharathis cant (or should not) play.  SRT is the best of the maharathis in ODI's. Thus willing to give him another chance at the expense of RD.

Most important point is that not more than one maharathis plays .... who that one maharathi is wont make much of a difference.

Why will you play even one ?!? I will play none of the 3.

Yep. I agree with this JFK.
However, MSD will not sit out all 3. If he does, kudos to MSD.

[gouravk]

I disagree. RD needs to play to bolster the middle order.

[justforkix]

I disagree. RD needs to play to bolster the middle order.

we are barely winning every other match with the Maharathis (last couple of series - 2-1, 3-4, 0-1 = 5-6). We might as well "rest" them now and see what the youngsters can do. IMO, they can't do worse than what we have done in the recent past.

[gouravk]

Yes, that is an option of course. But I do think that we need one player who can stay there if a crisis occurs and wickets fall all around.

[justforkix]

So I would play him only when both the other maharathis cant (or should not) play.  SRT is the best of the maharathis in ODI's. Thus willing to give him another chance at the expense of RD.

Most important point is that not more than one maharathis plays .... who that one maharathi is wont make much of a difference.

Why will you play even one ?!? I will play none of the 3.

Yep. I agree with this JFK.
However, MSD will not sit out all 3. If he does, kudos to MSD.

MSD. You mean DBV circus

[justforkix]

Yes, that is an option of course. But I do think that we need one player who can stay there if a crisis occurs and wickets fall all around.

If TINA is proved, I would not mind going back to SG/RD/SRT. Not otherwise.

With or without the Maharathis we are not going to win more than 2 ODIs against Aus and might barely win the Pak series (3-2 or 2-3). Also, we are languishing at near the bottom of the ODI table. What better time to try the youngsters. We can do no worse anwyays

[gouravk]

Yeah but any team needs players who can bat for 300 balls. I am not sure the youngsters are there yet. As in Im not confident that they will bat out 50 overs under all conditions.

[keep-it-cool]

I dont buy this argument that youngsters cannot bat out the 50 overs. Let them play higher than No 5/6/7 or with the mandate that one among them has to play 50 overs. Today, RU is asked to go out and go after the bowling while the likes of SG and RD can be the anchors ... comparing their ability to play long innings in that context is silly. Get the 3 out and then lets see how the new guys perform - with the new roles that they will inevitably get.

[fineleg]

So I would play him only when both the other maharathis cant (or should not) play.  SRT is the best of the maharathis in ODI's. Thus willing to give him another chance at the expense of RD.

Most important point is that not more than one maharathis plays .... who that one maharathi is wont make much of a difference.

Why will you play even one ?!? I will play none of the 3.

Yep. I agree with this JFK.
However, MSD will not sit out all 3. If he does, kudos to MSD.

MSD. You mean DBV circus

Maybe, Daily Balderdash Vengcircus
Actually, even if DBV puts the 3 M's into the 15, then I'd like MSD to drop those 3 M's from the 11.

[LosingNow]

RP, RPS, KKD excluded from 12.

It will come down to SG vs RS vs GG for the last 2 places!!

[justforkix]

RP, RPS, KKD excluded from 12.

WOW - 7 batsmen + Pathan 

It will come down to SG vs RS vs GG for the last 2 places!!

You mean RS and GG fight it out for the last 1 place..... 

[gouravk]

Why is RPS omiiteed ? With Zak not in a mood to pick up too many wickets ... I thot we cud have kept our options open with having RPS around ... esp given Hyderabad can seam about a bit.

[OldPal]

RP, RPS, KKD excluded from 12.

I wish there was atleast one maharathi in that. It is easy to leave out people who don't make much noise in media.

Let us ask a question to ourselves :
If i have to leave on Maharathi out of three: who would it be ?
Mine answer : RD
simple reasoning:
4 bowlers +1Rohit sharma allrounder- we need fallback bowlers - SRT,SG,YS could chip in.

What may happen : MSD knows..may be GG gets a rest this time.


    

[WicketView]

RP, RPS, KKD excluded from 12.

I wish there was atleast one maharathi in that. It is easy to leave out people who don't make much noise in media.

Let us ask a question to ourselves :
If i have to leave on Maharathi out of three: who would it be ?
Mine answer : RD
simple reasoning:
4 bowlers +1Rohit sharma allrounder- we need fallback bowlers - SRT,SG,YS could chip in.

What may happen : MSD knows..may be GG gets a rest this time.

Not sure how useful SG would be on patta wickets as a bowler. If the Hyderabad wicket seams, he could come in handy.  I think RD has been playing pretty well in ODI, so right now dropping him ahead of the other two should not be on, unless there is a well defined rotation policy.  If the wicket really seams, then we should keep in mind the possibility that our batsmen will indulge in a procession ... RD's technique seems a good bet there.
As far as rotations go, it would be nicer to have the youngsters play the initial parts of the tournament. 
Gouravk,
ZK has been bowling decently (by our standards) ... not a solo matchwinning performance but pretty good.

[gouravk]

How logical is that - to start off with the ambition of "leaving out a maharathi" - and then build a team around it ?

Anyway what you expect from your lead bowler is to give you 2-3 wickets ... Zaheer hasnt quite been doing that. Hence I wanted RP Singth to remain in the hunt as an option.

[WicketView]

How logical is that - to start off with the ambition of "leaving out a maharathi" - and then build a team around it ?

Slightly more than expecting to be able to do that later in a series against the Aussies.

Anyway what you expect from your lead bowler is to give you 2-3 wickets ... Zaheer hasnt quite been doing that. Hence I wanted RP Singth to remain in the hunt as an option.

He hasn't, but it is not like others have been either. And I don't think just looking at the wicket column makes sense. He has been bowling pretty well compared to other pacers. It is more a case of players playing him out carefully and whacking the others. No reason for RP Singh who is also good to not be in the hunt, but there are only so many that can play. So, nothing wrong in playing ZK.