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[Cover Point]

This shows he is a poor thinker on this front for sure.

I guess he should be sacked as captain rightaway in this case.  Poor thinkers cant be captains.

This would also tell you why he is a dishwasher.

[KKIRANK61]

This shows he is a poor thinker on this front for sure.

I guess he should be sacked as captain rightaway in this case.  Poor thinkers cant be captains.

This would also tell you why he is a dishwasher.

my predictions: Dishwasher will still top the series avgs.

[justforkix]

What a consistency and unanimousness, DGians are showing in all these replies. None of the posts are recommending MSD higher up the order. (who cares!)

hey, btw, among all those who posted here, I'm batting him at the highest position, #5 

[Cover Point]

This shows he is a poor thinker on this front for sure. 

I guess he should be sacked as captain rightaway in this case.   Poor thinkers cant be captains. 

This would also tell you why he is a dishwasher. 

my predictions: Dishwasher will still top the series avgs.

All the better.  But what does that have to do with what his batting position should be? If he has a role as a dishwasher (finisher really) then thats what he should be doing. 

Similarly RD Is a better dishwasher than opener and he should be helping MSD wash these dishes.

[OldPal]

Or the CV is reading MSD's mind 

[OldPal]

This shows he is a poor thinker on this front for sure.

I guess he should be sacked as captain rightaway in this case.  Poor thinkers cant be captains.
This would also tell you why he is a dishwasher.

KKK I agree MSD has a great strike rate and can clear the ropes without touching them.
Now let us put position No3 is perspective ....
Most of the time position#3 comes to bat when you need to score a normal pace and not expedited pace.. we are not looking at hitting all the balls for six during that time. now let us consider last 5 overs or 10 overs that way - Almost 100% of the time you need hard hitting batsman to play these overs. Recently we have seen more players hitting sixes then in past .. but Dhoni batting at No3 .. will score very close to what SG,SRT,RU,GG,YS,RD,RS etc would do .. and most of these are better technical bat than him ..
If the No3 Position comes to bat at Over no: 30, Then we may shuffle the order a bit , considering YS has also proved his worth now.
 

[arjun]

This shows he is a poor thinker on this front for sure. 

I guess he should be sacked as captain rightaway in this case.   Poor thinkers cant be captains. 

This would also tell you why he is a dishwasher. 

my predictions: Dishwasher will still top the series avgs.

All the better.  But what does that have to do with what his batting position should be? If he has a role as a dishwasher (finisher really) then thats what he should be doing. 

Similarly RD Is a better dishwasher than opener and he should be helping MSD wash these dishes.

RD is best suited at No. 3. He can control the game from there. MSD's positioning is just right.

[inoc]

SRT
SG
RU(Home Ground hence nod over GG)
YS
RD
MSD
IKP
HS
ZK
SS
RPS

Huh? You would drop GG . . .  the highest scorer for us in the T20 WC? A superior fielder.  A good runner between wickets! You would keep SG instead. 

i understand your logic here - GG performed well and rewarded.

I would rather dump the maharathis . . . . .  Both RD and SG can be dropped.  I will play GG and KKD for this one and replace KKD with RS for the next one.

similar logic should keep KKD out of the team the poorest performer in the T20 WC (4 inns, avg 9.33)and the england series before that (5 inn, avg 17, SR 68)

Anyway KKD, RP are out of the 12 apparently so moot discussion

[ganavk]

What a consistency and unanimousness, DGians are showing in all these replies. None of the posts are recommending MSD higher up the order. (who cares!) Earlier there was a debate where all were saying, he was untested in swinging english conditions. Now i hope all here know that the the series is played in india where there is a common acceptance that MSD is a better performer than many.Still pepole are relishing him in dressing room, while the more previlaged, more experienced (and yet less exuberants, less vibrant, excessively solid  ) are playing (plodding) up the order and are ready to spoil the CRR /RRR. They will be leaving him just the cleansing job to be done at the end.......the dishwasher that he is. If a player with good high avg as well as SR is not allowed to play ample balls out of stipulated 300, then its poor approach to the game. Hopefully that he is a captain himself, will bat up. If not as in T20, he is a DGian.........or is afraid of seniority of 3Ms...........however fearless he claims !!
As i posted somewhere earlier; if lasts for 80 balls, who will do what? The idea was to eliminate the factor of being out, at least on paper. Meaning if survived so long, who will produce what? ie who is how much efficient. And those who are most likely to give higher output should be given more opportunity, as simple.
If not then tomorrow if some new coach when comes to rule, will use this simple logic and suceed and get praised as great foreign coach! ( other {GC] has already done the reverse of this theory by dumbing MSD down in spite of good shows at 3 and tried (and spoiled) IP and others in the process.
All may say that i speak only of MSD; but as i see, he is surely the center of attractin in our squad in terms of perfromance and potential; only to be overlooked as being from 'minority- of origin'. He definitely has an extra spark in everything he does or is asked to do.Today he is shining for his unknown quality- the captaincy (and also the witty speaches). The batting ability is still at hand, not used much. He may handle seniors in much better way than we all think (as he handled Sharad power's gang at WS)
THE EARLIER U START LOVING HIM, THE MORE U WILL ENJOY.........now at least leave the prejudiced minds u 'many' DGians........ODI double may be on cards in near future, dont forget!

Hmmm...We will have to see whether he still has in it him to play the kinds of innings he played during his first years in international cricket. Now it is almost proved that he is not comfortable at all on top of the order especially when playing outside India and somewhere I felt that he has lost that free spirit when batting down the order also. When was the last time he scored sixers like he used to do. He has almost stopped hooking/pulling and only has that regular checked shots down the ground as his favorite shot.

[Cover Point]

SRT
SG
RU(Home Ground hence nod over GG)
YS
RD
MSD
IKP
HS
ZK
SS
RPS

Huh? You would drop GG .  .  .   the highest scorer for us in the T20 WC? A superior fielder.   A good runner between wickets! You would keep SG instead.  

i understand your logic here - GG performed well and rewarded.

I would rather dump the maharathis .  .  .  .  .   Both RD and SG can be dropped.   I will play GG and KKD for this one and replace KKD with RS for the next one. 

similar logic should keep KKD out of the team the poorest performer in the T20 WC (4 inns, avg 9. 33)and the england series before that (5 inn, avg 17, SR 68)

Anyway KKD, RP are out of the 12 apparently so moot discussion

Fair enough . . .  the point is that I dont want the maharathis to get into the habit of playing together.  They are elephants. . .  hard to move once they sit down.  So they need to be made aware that they will be rotated.  Thats why I said I would have loved to have RS in there but our greatest joker of them all had him dropped after RS failed to score a single run in England due to full fault of his!

[KKIRANK61]

This shows he is a poor thinker on this front for sure.

I guess he should be sacked as captain rightaway in this case.  Poor thinkers cant be captains.
This would also tell you why he is a dishwasher.

KKK I agree MSD has a great strike rate and can clear the ropes without touching them.
Now let us put position No3 is perspective ....
Most of the time position#3 comes to bat when you need to score a normal pace and not expedited pace.. we are not looking at hitting all the balls for six during that time. now let us consider last 5 overs or 10 overs that way - Almost 100% of the time you need hard hitting batsman to play these overs. Recently we have seen more players hitting sixes then in past .. but Dhoni batting at No3 .. will score very close to what SG,SRT,RU,GG,YS,RD,RS etc would do .. and most of these are better technical bat than him ..
If the No3 Position comes to bat at Over no: 30, Then we may shuffle the order a bit , considering YS has also proved his worth now.
 

You gave me precise point to argue.
Look, while coming to bat at ov40 and asked to play at 6+,7+ rate is a gamble. Since chances of mistakes are high before settling. Now two options: try to settle fast and then slog (wasting time and balls) or start risky slogs. afterall a risk. Many a times the upper half increases the RRR and asks lower one to play faster than them w/o settling. A VERY VERY USUAL STORY. U MAY SEE IT TOMORROW.
While batting at 3 if u get a chance to start at ov 10+ there is a good time to settle. Plus there is all important PPs which are underutilized by the 3Ms.Moreover MSD once settles can accelerate much much faster than anyone else. and that too with min risks. The 3Ms use to slog IMMEDIATELY after reaching 50+. U ALL MUST SEE THIS. Thus they never last enough to accelerate in spite of good start. IT IS COMMON STORY. MSD will be much better here in this case.

[OldPal]

@K3
For  moment let us agree that MSD plays at No 3 from over number 10 -35 .. (We have seen in eng couple of dhoni's inngs when he comes in early palys enuff balls and getts out trying to accelerate) ..

Whom do you expect to play the last 15 overs of the game ?

My logic is simple .. MSD is a hard and powerful hitter of the ball . These players are best utilised after over 30 in standard cricketing conditions.
I will not find much difference in (RU,GG,YS,MSD,RS,SRT batting at no3 ), as per the Run rate.
Had we had three MSD's in team may be you can promote one higher up in order and let him play. I think with RU,YS,Changed RD,SRT,GG all up in order... there is no reason for much concern. It is not that SRT,SG,RD,YS etc can't hit, it is just they are not advised at that stage.
 
With my little cricketing brain I will always use the player where he best fits the team interests and his skills can be utilised better for team.
I understand you think from similar perspective .. but this may be just a difference of opinion.

[KKIRANK61]

@K3
For  moment let us agree that MSD plays at No 3 from over number 10 -35 .. (We have seen in eng couple of dhoni's inngs when he comes in early palys enuff balls and getts out trying to accelerate) ..

Whom do you expect to play the last 15 overs of the game ?

My logic is simple .. MSD is a hard and powerful hitter of the ball . These players are best utilised after over 30 in standard cricketing conditions.
I will not find much difference in (RU,GG,YS,MSD,RS,SRT batting at no3 ), as per the Run rate.
Had we had three MSD's in team may be you can promote one higher up in order and let him play. I think with RU,YS,Changed RD,SRT,GG all up in order... there is no reason for much concern. It is not that SRT,SG,RD,YS etc can't hit, it is just they are not advised at that stage.
 
With my little cricketing brain I will always use the player where he best fits the team interests and his skills can be utilised better for team.
I understand you think from similar perspective .. but this may be just a difference of opinion.

BTW
Have u ever seen MSDs 183 inngs full live or recorded ? (not high lights. If not, at least read text commentry even now.

[OldPal]

The answer is Yes... but even if it was No, I think we have watched Dhoni enuff to see his strengths an weakness.
If you could the same Logic to Kapils inngs of 175  ...

[inoc]

@K3
For  moment let us agree that MSD plays at No 3 from over number 10 -35 .. (We have seen in eng couple of dhoni's inngs when he comes in early palys enuff balls and getts out trying to accelerate) ..

Whom do you expect to play the last 15 overs of the game ?

My logic is simple .. MSD is a hard and powerful hitter of the ball . These players are best utilised after over 30 in standard cricketing conditions.
I will not find much difference in (RU,GG,YS,MSD,RS,SRT batting at no3 ), as per the Run rate.
Had we had three MSD's in team may be you can promote one higher up in order and let him play. I think with RU,YS,Changed RD,SRT,GG all up in order... there is no reason for much concern. It is not that SRT,SG,RD,YS etc can't hit, it is just they are not advised at that stage.
 
With my little cricketing brain I will always use the player where he best fits the team interests and his skills can be utilised better for team.
I understand you think from similar perspective .. but this may be just a difference of opinion.

BTW
Have u ever seen MSDs 183 inngs full live or recorded ? (not high lights. If not, at least read text commentry even now.

kkk

your everest climbing hero doesnt seem to agree with you. either you are cleverer or he is dumb - you choose.

[broadbat]

SRT
SG
RU(Home Ground hence nod over GG)
YS
RD
MSD
IKP
HS
ZK
SS
RPS

Huh? You would drop GG . . .  the highest scorer for us in the T20 WC? A superior fielder.  A good runner between wickets! You would keep SG instead. 

I would rather dump the maharathis . . . . .  Both RD and SG can be dropped.  I will play GG and KKD for this one and replace KKD with RS for the next one.

Having picked him they will not drop him without giving him a chance to fail.

[OldPal]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvaus/content/current/story/313223.html
Teams

India (likely): 1 Sachin Tendulkar, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Robin Uthappa, 4 Yuvraj Singh, 5 Rahul Dravid, 6 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (capt/wk), 7 Irfan Pathan, 8 Harbhajan Singh, 9 Zaheer Khan, 10 Sreesanth, 11 RP Singh.

If game happens Looks like the team we wanted fro ODI1  will play courtsey one injury

SRT  35 (9.3%)
GG  29 (7.7%)
RU  32 (8.5%)
RD  28 (7.5%)
YS  35 (9.3%)
MSD  35 (9.3%)
IKP  31 (8.3%)
HS  30 (8%)
ZK  34 (9.1%)
SS  25 (6.7%)
RPS  26 (6.9%)
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SG  19 (5.1%)
RP  11 (2.9%)
KKD  5 (1.3%)