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I think this is an event ..we all have been waiting for.. it will truly deserve all the hype... it really doesnt get any better than this.

Let's celebrate this on this DG for 2 full-days.. carnival time!!

COME ON.. CHAK DE INDIA!!!!
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2007, 08:51:03 AM »
I wonder if we will see a change and have Jogi sit out the final. With 22 runs needed of the final over, credit to him for not cocking it up but that is all the credit that he deserves. He went for about 30 in 2 overs before that...at this point the Paki middle order will be looking at Jogi like a serving of Haleem. Would Piyush Chawla be a better option against Pakistan?
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2007, 11:30:27 AM »
Jogi is pathetic .. I would bring AA back against Pakistan ... he generally bowls one of his very good - read wicket taking - spells in his comeback game .. so, with only one game left, its not much of a risk.

If Jogi had gone for 22 runs, Dhoni would have faced the same fate as RD did when he bowled YS in the last over. I think, if one sits back and thinks about the game without getting the emotions of victory involved, India were caught seriously napping on the fifth bowler front yesterday - both in terms of the number of runs given and the fact that there were too many left till the end.

We were lucky it did not hurt more - credit to HS and RPS for bowling overs that are not par for the course in 20-20, that gave Jogi (and Dhoni) the required buffer. I think if the equation had been 14-15 runs (i.e. both HS and RPS had given away just 3 runs more each), the Aussies would have taken it. This game is just not one for part-timers or Jogis.
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2007, 12:52:15 PM »
I wonder if we will see a change and have Jogi sit out the final. With 22 runs needed of the final over, credit to him for not cocking it up but that is all the credit that he deserves. He went for about 30 in 2 overs before that...at this point the Paki middle order will be looking at Jogi like a serving of Haleem. Would Piyush Chawla be a better option against Pakistan?

PC is out for 6 weeks and i think playing a leggie against PAK on a small ground will be a good idea. I think we should go with AA. Though even he may go for plenty as this is a high scoring ground. 
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2007, 01:50:31 PM »
So far I have seen little in Jogi that makes me say this, but I do believe that a lot can be achieved with the right kind of backing and encouragement at the right time, which is exactly what Dhoni seems to have done with him. By making RPS bowl the 19th over, he ensured that the Ozs would be faced with a daunting task in the 20th, making it relatively easier for Jogi to bowl. Apparently, then, he told Jogi that he had been doing this all his life in domestics, and he, MSD had full confidence that JS would be able to perform this duty in the 20th over. I feel in fact that this might well make him work wonders in the final. I understand its still a risk, but I do believe in a new beginning, and thats why I'd like to keep Haggy away for good, if possible, give him a golden handshake and help him settle in South Africa, so that the Indian team is never again saddled with his negative presence.

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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2007, 02:54:24 PM »
My 11 for tomorrow .. assuming Sehwag is not fit..

GG
RU
KKD <- replacing Sehwag
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
YP <--- in for JS .. we need another spinner, IMO
HS
RPS
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 03:00:47 PM »
My 11 for tomorrow .. assuming Sehwag is not fit..

GG
RU
KKD <- replacing Sehwag
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
YP <--- in for JS .. we need another spinner, IMO
HS
RPS
SS

Why do you want to replace Sehwag.  He at least played a solid match and provides us the bowling option irrespective of the bad day that he had against the Aussies.  KKD will not score faster than Sehwag and does not provide the bowling option.

Don't you think that throwing in YP in this big match can be very risky.  At least Yogi has overcome the initial jitters.  As much as I dislike the inconsistencies of Agarkar, may be we should consider him if we are to replace Yogi.
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2007, 03:04:22 PM »
My 11 for tomorrow .. assuming Sehwag is not fit..

GG
RU
KKD <- replacing Sehwag
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
YP <--- in for JS .. we need another spinner, IMO
HS
RPS
SS

Why do you want to replace Sehwag.  He at least played a solid match and provides us the bowling option irrespective of the bad day that he had against the Aussies.  KKD will not score faster than Sehwag and does not provide the bowling option.

Don't you think that throwing in YP in this big match can be very risky.  At least Yogi has overcome the initial jitters.  As much as I dislike the inconsistencies of Agarkar, may be we should consider him if we are to replace Yogi.

first line of the post - assuming VS is not fit
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2007, 03:04:46 PM »
My 11 for tomorrow .. assuming Sehwag is not fit..

GG
RU
KKD <- replacing Sehwag
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
YP <--- in for JS .. we need another spinner, IMO
HS
RPS
SS

Why do you want to replace Sehwag.  He at least played a solid match and provides us the bowling option irrespective of the bad day that he had against the Aussies.  KKD will not score faster than Sehwag and does not provide the bowling option.

Don't you think that throwing in YP in this big match can be very risky.  At least Yogi has overcome the initial jitters.  As much as I dislike the inconsistencies of Agarkar, may be we should consider him if we are to replace Yogi.
Of course, VS will play if he is fit. I assumed that he will not be fit.
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 03:09:20 PM »
My 11 for tomorrow .. assuming Sehwag is not fit..

GG
RU
KKD <- replacing Sehwag
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
YP <--- in for JS .. we need another spinner, IMO
HS
RPS
SS

Why do you want to replace Sehwag.  He at least played a solid match and provides us the bowling option irrespective of the bad day that he had against the Aussies.  KKD will not score faster than Sehwag and does not provide the bowling option.

Don't you think that throwing in YP in this big match can be very risky.  At least Yogi has overcome the initial jitters.  As much as I dislike the inconsistencies of Agarkar, may be we should consider him if we are to replace Yogi.
Of course, VS will play if he is fit. I assumed that he will not be fit.
Sorry - I missed that part.
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A WC final.. tailgate party and comments ..
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2007, 03:12:32 PM »
He better be fit .. he is in my team and i have no transfers left
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2007, 03:16:52 PM »
My 11 for tomorrow .. assuming Sehwag is not fit..

GG
RU
KKD <- replacing Sehwag
YS
RS
MSD
IKP
YP <--- in for JS .. we need another spinner, IMO
HS
RPS
SS


I dont think it will be a good idea to have YP as fifth bowler. He will be easy fodder for Paki middle order. His bowling hasnt been any good in recent times. If we play him we should play him in place of VS and at top where he has shown pretty good consistency in domestic with the bat. He is a big hitter so if gamble works it will be huge.
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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A DREAM WC final.. Tailgate party, Team Selection and Comments
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2007, 03:36:00 PM »
It is interesting to note in the Cricket section of The Guardian.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket

Since England is out  - they don't even post up to date news about 2020.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2007, 04:41:39 PM »
DISASTER NEWS
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Pawar, BCCI officials and DBV and other selectors are flying in to South Africa to watch the 20-20 Ind-Pak final.

Expect the "Genius" Colonel to be in the dug out deciding what is the playing XI, what to call in the toss, what to do when u when the toss, who goes in when and also who bowls which over etc. etc.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2007, 05:58:19 PM »
Guys, we all have been watching Indian cricket for so long and know exactly how it works. If they were thinking of dropping Jogi, he wouldn't have played the last match. But since he did and bowled the last over very well, took a good catch, I really doubt that they are going to leave him out for the final. I also agree with people that it's not fair to include a new guy like YP for such an important game. As I have been saying for the past few days, I don't mind having AA back into the team if the pitch is similar to the one for our game against SA. AA usually does well on such tracks. But in reality, I don't expect any changes unless there's an injury. Who knows, may be the confidence shown by MSD will do wonders for Jogi. And I am always there to cheer for him with some help from Gurudev KK.  :D
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2007, 03:06:51 AM »
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The Preview by S Rajesh in Johannesburg

September 23, 2007

"Play without pressure, play to enjoy the game, express yourself, and don't worry about the results." That has been the mantra for Mahendra Singh Dhoni's Indian team over the last ten days, and the results of that philosophy have been nothing short of spectacular. The challenge for the team, and even more so the captain, is to ensure that the same principles are adhered to for one last time in the ICC World Twenty20, in a match where it will be easy to forget the plans and strategies, and worry about the results.

It's been a dream run for India, doubly unexpected because, coming into the tournament, the expectations were so low. Their Twenty20 experience had consisted of exactly one game, they had been beaten in the ODI series by England, and their three big batting superstars had opted out and been replaced by relatively unknown names.

On the eve of the final, though, all that ceases to be relevant. Instead, all those negatives have been replaced by a host of positives, so upbeat and vibrant has their performance been. What was seen as lack of experience - a drawback - has instead been a huge advantage: the younger players have raised the fielding to unbelievable levels, and the team has refused to be fazed by the win-or-perish situations that they have been confronted with more than once. The lack of superstars has been a cause to celebrate too, with Dhoni proudly announcing that as one of the pluses for India.

Along the way the team has also learnt very quickly, applied the lessons in the subsequent games, and improved in almost every aspect as the tournament has gone along. The improvement has been especially noticeable in the last three games: against England, the batting was sensational, but the bowling leaked too many; against South Africa they tightened up in the field but still allowed 11 extra deliveries; against Australia, though, the batting remained high class, while the number of wides came down from 11 to three.

Similarly, there's been a noticeable strategy to their batting too: keep wickets in hand through the early overs, even if the scoring rate isn't outstanding, so that even outrageous risks are possible in the latter part of the innings.

"The first five overs are important but not as much as the last eight overs," Dhoni explained on the eve of the match. "Against New Zealand [Virender] Sehwag and [Gautam] Gambhir gave us a terrific start but we couldn't capitalise and played poorly in the last few overs. With wickets in hand even 10-12 runs per over is possible in the last overs." The game against Australia was the perfect example of this strategy, as only 48 came from the first nine overs, while the last 11 yielded 140.

With the team in such spectacular form, there have obviously been some exceptional individual performers, none of whom have dazzled more than Yuvraj Singh. "I haven't seen anyone bat like he has over the last couple of matches," Dhoni said, while Shoaib Malik, Pakistan's captain, singled him out as the one Indian player to watch out for.

Yuvraj's scores have been spectacular, but even more than the runs scored, what has been stunning is the manner in which he has struck those sixes and fours - virtually all of them have been clean hits, thumped into spots which have been clinically picked, with strokes that seemed almost risk-free. Another match of similarly breathtaking strokes, and India will have taken a giant step towards holding the winner's trophy.

Yuvraj has by no means been the lone hero, though. Sehwag - who will have to pass a fitness test tomorrow morning on a groin injury - and Gambhir have been busy and innovative at the start, Robin Uthappa has done his bit, while Rohit Sharma made a quite stunning debut against South Africa.
The bowling has had several stars too: RP Singh has been the most prominent with some outstanding new-ball spells and nine wickets in the tournament, but the others have played equally vital parts. Harbhajan Singh has been terrific at the death, firing them into the blockhole seemingly at will, Irfan Pathan has regained his control and consistency, while Sreesanth bowled one of the best spells of the tournament against Australia (though his excessive appealing earned him a censure both from the match referee and his captain later).

The two areas of concern for India are the venue and the run-chase: they've only played once at Johannesburg, a 2pm start - like the final - against New Zealand, which they lost by ten runs; and while they've become proficient at setting a target, they've hardly experienced chasing one, batting second only once, in the match mentioned above. The 2pm start suggests the team winning the toss might want to bat first, and if Pakistan take that route, India will be in less familiar territory.

Overall, though, it's all falling into place nicely for India - after an iffy start, they seem to be peaking at just the right moment - but the pace and intensity of the Twenty20 game is such that they'll have to be on the ball right from the start, and for the entire duration of the match. Against a Pakistan team in equally dominant form, nothing less will do.

Route to the final

Group Stage: Scotland - Abandoned
Group Stage: Pakistan - Won bowl-out 3-0
Super Eights: New Zealand - Lost by 10 runs
Super Eights: England - Won by 18 runs
Super Eights: South Africa - Won by 37 runs
Semi-final: Australia - Won by 15 runs


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Re: Ind vs Pak.. A DREAM WC final.. Tailgate party, Team Selection and Comments
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2007, 03:18:27 AM »
The deliriously brave ones meet

Sambit Bal in Johannesburg

September 23, 2007
 
India, without some big names and under a new captain, have played their cricket hard ... © Getty Images


This is a final not many would have imagined, yet it's one nobody can grudge. A trans-Tasman final was a possibility before the semi-finals, but it is difficult to dispute that the tournament has now got the best possible climax: the sub-continental rivalry has the right combination of history, piquancy and edge to add up to a thriller. Let's just hope it doesn't go the way of the World Cup final.

History will say India have the advantage. They have a 6-1 record against Pakistan in world championships including one bowl-out earlier in this tournament and whispers from the Pakistan camp before the second semi-final suggested that they would rather play Australia in the final, having beaten them already. But history counts for little in the middle, and Pakistan did break their jinx of having never beaten India in a world championship at the Champions Trophy in 2004. There is little to choose between the teams, and it might just boil down to who can hold their nerve best.

The two teams have a remarkable similarity to them. Both are without their big players - India without Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Sourav Ganguly and Zaheer Khan, and Pakistan without Inzamam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf and Shoaib Akhtar; they are under new captains; Pakistan have a new coach, India don't even have one; and they have used this tournament to blood some new and exciting players.

The result has been refreshingly positive. Both teams have shed lethargy, and a somewhat unhealthy dependency on their big players - perhaps not being in their shadow has helped the younger players express themselves with greater freedom and take on more responsibility - and have played a brand of cricket that is unlike them. Pakistan have been efficient and controlled rather than mercurial, while India have been energetic, even electrifying, in the field and between the wickets.

The main point of departure has been the strategy at the toss. India have defied conventional Twenty20 wisdom by choosing to set targets and have won all their matches batting first, whereas Pakistan have won their last three matches chasing. In the earlier clash between the two rivals India batted first, Pakistan chased and ended up with an identical score. Maybe they should dispense with the toss at the final altogether.

On balance the teams are evenly matched, but India have the edge in their batting. All their batsmen have fired in the tournament whereas Pakistan's have wobbled at the top, and then India have the better wicketkeeper-batsman.

Yet this is evened out by Pakistan's slight superiority in the bowling department. India's pace bowlers have responded magnificently to the challenge of this new format and Harbhajan Singh has been impossible to cart away, but despite Joginder Sharma's great last over against Australia, they have a weak fifth bowler and no viable back-up.


Compare this to Pakistan, who have an all-round attack with the variety of Shoaib Malik and Mohammad Hafeez, both genuine allrounders in one-day cricket, to back up the pace bowlers and Shahid Afridi. And in Umar Gul, they have the best bowler in the tournament so far, a man to stop runs and take wickets just when opposing teams are looking at hitting the pedal.

Most importantly, the teams have been led by exactly the kind of men each required. Pakistan, always brilliant but always brittle, have benefited from Malik's composure, which has also been a feature of his batting. He was a gamble for Pakistan, and it is clear that the absence of seniors and some of the divisive forces in the team has helped him take charge. New coach Geoff Lawson has melted into the background and that's the way it ought to be.

For India, Mahendra Singh Dhoni has been impressive. He has a terrific cricket brain and has brought the ideal combination of aggressiveness and method to his captaincy. Even though the big guys stayed at home, he had plenty of players far senior to him in the team, some of whom had even been spoken of as future captains. Despite this, he has looked in command and has displayed a clear-headedness when it comes to taking important decisions. He opted to bowl the part-timers in the bowl-out (he didn't want to pressurise his pace bowlers) and held back his potentially weakest bowler for the last over against Australia (he wanted Joginder to bowl when the pressure would be greater on the batsmen than him).

It is not a coincidence then that India and Pakistan have been involved in the most exciting matches in this tournament. Anything less than an electrifying final tomorrow would be a disappointment.

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2007, 03:22:29 AM »
Ian Chappell: Pakistan's attack is better balanced

September 23, 2007

 
Ian Chappell: "Yuvraj Singh is in who is such outstanding form that he can turn a match on his own" © AFP


This is Ian Chappell for Cricinfo Talk, looking forward to a great final between India and Pakistan at the Wanderers.

Well you would look forward to any India-Pakistan match, but I am really looking forward to this one for a number of reasons. Firstly, both teams are very much in form; they're playing consistently good Twenty20 cricket. Secondly, they've both got good leaders and I have been impressed with the work of both MS Dhoni and Shoaib Malik - I think they are doing a terrific job as captains and I think they are making a big difference to their teams. So there are a lot of things that are exciting about this final.

Who will win or lose? Well, I don't think there is much to choose between them. Both are playing brave cricket at the moment, which is always good to watch; and as far as India are concerned; they have got a player in Yuvraj Singh who is such outstanding form and is hitting the ball so well that he could turn a match on his own.

The one difference that I would see between these two teams is that Pakistan probably have the better balanced attack. They've got better spin options and at the moment their spin bowlers are more aggressive, particularly Shahid Afridi, who is bowling to get wickets rather than tie the opposition down. So I think in a situation where a team is bowling to defend a target, particularly not a huge target, I think Pakistan are better placed to win that sort of contest than India.

I think India would prefer to bat first and set a target and I think what we are seeing in these knockout matches is that teams are taking a more conservative approach at the top of the order in the first few overs with the idea of not losing too many wickets so you're put in that position where you are looking to just push the ball around and survive and hope that you can post something reasonable. So I think they are looking to be conservative so that that they can have wickets in hand and let lose in the last few overs and I think that's a pretty sensible thing to do.

If India bat first and are able to put a total on the board - it needs to be a bit higher since they are playing in Johannesburg and it's easier to hit sixes there - but maybe something around 200 could stretch Pakistan. Their top order is a little dicey but I have been impressed with Misbah-ul-Hag and Malik in the middle order and then you have Afridi who is very explosive with the bat. There are so many things that could be exciting in this game and it's very hard to pick between the two teams.

But if you put a gun to my head and asked me to pick one team I would just have to go with Pakistan on the basis that if they have got to defend a middle-of-the-road target, then they've got a better chance than India. But I hope the standard of the final is close to what we saw in the semi-final between India and Australia. This has been a very good tournament and I hope we have a final that has been memorable. We've had two very good semi-finals; one exceptional; and I hope we have a very good and exciting final.
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Chak de! Indian cricket looks to a bright future
Rajdeep Sardesai | CNN-IBN | Posted Sep 24, 2007 at 07:34 | Updated Sep 24, 2007 at 08:10
   

After what’s been quite a remarkable week for Indian cricket at the Twenty20 World Championships in South Africa, it’s now India versus Pakistan in what really is the dream final.


CNN-IBN looks back at what’s been a fascinating journey for world cricket and for Indian cricket. We also try and understand what Twenty20 now means for the future of this game.


Editor-in-Chief, CNN-IBN, Rajdeep Sardesai, accompanied by CNN-IBN’s Sports Editor Gaurav Kalra, former New Zealand all-rounder Chris Cairns, Mukul Kesavan, one of India’s finest cricket writers, former India captain Krishnamachari Srikkanth and Ayaz Memon, a man who has covered cricket extensively, came together to relive the defining moments of the inaugural ICC World Twenty20.


The turnaround


The week began with Indian cricket seemingly in shambles, with Rahul Dravid having given up the captaincy. But it has also been a week that’s ended with Indian cricket now looking towards a bright future.


Five days ago, India lost to the New Zealanders, and suddenly, they are in the finals of the Twenty20 championships. Was it really thought that India and Pakistan would actually make it to the finals?


"Both of them have the players who can light up. And given a free license, the Indian players could really see what they were capable of. Introducing some new life in the team with the new captain, and senior players like Dhoni and Yuvraj standing up, makes a big difference," says Chris Cairns, one of the greatest all-rounders in the game.


"I think the South Africa match was incredible. I didn’t believe they would get anywhere in this tournament. I thought the defeat against New Zealand was power for the cause. I didn’t give them a chance frankly. But I’m pretty much a convert now," adds Mukul Kesavan, who recently brought out his book, Men in White.


"One thing they achieved was that they broke patterns, and played fearlessly. But what was really unfamiliar was that when in England, India had a pattern of Sachin and Sourav piling up the runs early on, and if they didn’t, India would lose. This was the big lesson in Indian cricket. Five different batsmen have scored five half-centuries in this tournament. A lot of wickets have been taken by different bowlers," CNN-IBN Sports Editor Gaurav Kalra says.


Former India captain Krishnamachari Srikkanth saw the same thing in the 1983 World Cup, and it seems that history has repeated itself. No one gave India a ghost of a chance, lots of players contributed.


"That nobody expected it from them, went in India’s favour. We have a positive captain, who believes in himself. We had a young captain in Kapil Dev that time who believed in himself and played with a positive attitude and led from the front. The same thing is happening today. What I like about Dhoni is that he is a very calm guy. Even in a tense situation against Australia, he was very calm," Srikkanth says.


And again, a team that no one gave a chance has suddenly made it into the finals. What explains the turnaround?


"I think absence of fear is the big thing here, because there is fear of failure which dogs people who have been around for too long. You have got mighty reputations to protect. Some of the players are very experienced. But they don’t have that much fear of losing their reputation. You don’t have anything to lose when you have made it to the final," Ayaz Memon says.

So how much of difference does absence of fear make? "Twenty20 cricket forces you to do it. Sometimes when you are in a 50-over game or in a Test match, you have a lot more time when you can be a lot more scared or timid to try and do it. But in Twenty20, you can’t. You have to go out there and you have to do it," Cairns says.


The Indian captain, MS Dhoni, who hails from Jharkhand, comes across as someone who has everything to gain and nothing to lose, and keeps on saying ‘let’s enjoy the game’. It has changed from the past.


"Dhoni is the perfect candidate for the sociological archetype, the small-town boy coming good. But I also think he is unique. The first thing an Indian cricketer learns is to put the blame on the other, but Dhoni doesn’t seem to want to blame anyone. There’s a kind of grownup-ness which is very unique in Indian cricket," Kesavan says of the new Indian captain.


"Sometimes they have played to the reputations with the guys they have played with. You almost get a sense that there’s a Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, the awesome records that they have in international cricket. Someone like Yuvraj who has been made the vice-captain is suddenly making an impact with the bat and dominating bowling attacks because he knows that there’s no one else," Kalra says.


"However, let’s not compare Twenty20 cricket with Test cricket or One-Day cricket," cautions Cairns. "It’s a different beast. We are enjoying it, but you can’t compare it with the real game."


The new face of Indian cricket: Yuvraj Singh


The new face of the Indian team, Yuvraj Singh has a lot to do with it. "He is just timing them," Cairns says emphatically. "Watch out Pakistan," he adds, perhaps indicating the side he will be rooting for in the final.


"It has also to do with the pent up energy that he has been carrying. A guy of his talent kept out of the Test team, he should have been a regular fixture, but for something or the other, partly for some fault of his own. He was a very strong contender for the captaincy as well, but was overlooked. But his role keeps him free to being a match winner," Memon says.


"He has become the finisher for the Indian team. Not just during this series, but for the last 2-3 years, he has done his job to perfection. He has won so many matches single-handedly for India," Srikkanth says, adding testimony to the coming of age of Yuvraj Singh.


Has Generation Next really come of age?


The great thing about the Twenty20 World Championships have been the infectious joy on the young, new faces of Indian cricket. It almost seems that this is what cricket is now going to be all about.


"One of the reasons why Indians play cricket and love it so much is that five-day cricket was the only form in which reasonably unfit people could do reasonably well. But it's not going to happen now," says Kesavan, on what has turned out to be a paradigm shift in the traditions of the game.


Even the Indian team seems to be a lot fitter with its members in its 20s. "Absolutely. But I must make a point here on cricketing skills. The bowling skills have come into play here. The bowler has to outguess the batsman; the batsman has the bat in hand and is going to give the charge because there are only 20 overs. The fielding has to improve; it has to become spectacular. As a spectacle, really, I think Bollywood has a rival," Memon says.


Srikkanth, the former India captain for one is perhaps going to rue the fact that he didn't play cricket in the 21st century. "Yes. But then, you have a fantastic bunch of youngsters in the team. All we need is a good all-rounder who can hit the ball, bowl, field, do whatever he wants. If only India can find a decent all-rounder, we will be a fantastic side," he explains.


"It's a fascinating game," agrees Cairns. "And this is why India and Pakistan have done so well, because the youth knows no boundary."


But while batsmen have relatively made the game look easy, the bowlers have not quite been able to do so, but have achieved tremendous success nonetheless. So is bowling the tougher job at hand because the bowler has only four overs, or is it batting because they have the license to kill?


"I think swing makes a good Twenty20 bowler, because of the ability to get players out. RP Singh has shown that those deliveries he has bowled, which are so like Wasim Akram. And also Sreesanth against Australia with the delivery to get Gilchrist out was a magical ball. So, if the bowlers are able to move the ball makes a good difference," Cairns says.


Breaking the sociological barrier


India's rise in Twenty20 has also been about players coming out from places which aren't known to produce cricketers in large numers-Sreesanth from Kerala, Piyush Chawla from a small town in UP, RP Singh from Rae Bareilly-is there something to it? Rohit Sharma also comes from the suburbs of Mumbai.


"It does tell you something. These are faces that come from places you haven't heard of in the cricketing map," Kesavan says.


The final chapter


It's a script even Salim Javed couldn't have written better-after 26 games, India and Pakistan play the final. But will it be the battle between India's batsmen and Pakistan's bowlers?


"It's a mouth-watering prospect. But for me, the two performers of the tournament has been Umar Gul, who is going to be up against Yuvraj and Dhoni. Whoever wins that battle could potentially win the game. But the sleeping giant in the tournament could turn out to be Virender Sehwag. He could create that start where India could just launch from and do anything from there," Cairns predicts.


Will the final be about playing fearless cricket? Srikkanth, for one, has been part of such a final at Lord's in 1983.


"I don't think we should put pressure on ourselves. What we need is a good start because they are going to bank on Mohammad Asif and Umar Gul. If we can take the bowling apart earlier on, I think we have done our job," Srikkanth says.


Ayaz Memon says it will be about handling the weight of pressure and expectations. "The game has changed from 20-25 years. Whichever team holds its nerve is going to win. It's such a frenetically paced game, that one bad over is the deciding factor in a match. And of handling pressure, that's where Dhoni's role is going to be very crucial in the match."


Two fascinating cricketers, in the process, will also be squaring off in the game-Shahid Afridi and Yuvraj Singh-possessing similar capabilities.


"This is a World Cup. We have never lost to Pakistan in a World Cup. We are bound to win," says Kesavan, as he draws on historical facts.


Both teams were out of the first round of the limited overs World Cup earlier this year. "We should put things into perspective here. After the abysmal World Cup-it was nothing more that that-as a past cricketer, I was let down. This World Cup has been exciting, and it's great to see a massive battle between India and Pakistan.


The defining moments


The Twenty20 World Cup has all been about achievements on the field, and some have gone on to define the shortest version of the game.


"The six sixes moment. You didn't think it would happen," Kalra says.


"The second ball that Yuvraj effortlessly played for six against Australia. To add to that, the last time India played a major final against Pakistan was at the 1985 Benson and Hedges World Series, and what happened then was Pakistan became very uptight against us. That's going to be the key thing-not being uptight against them," Srikkanth says.


Memon, sharing Srikkanth's optimism, says: "The most defining moment has been Sreesanth getting rid of Matthew Hayden, which probably got us into the final. And the way he reacted was one of the most memorable moments of this tournament."


"The moment for me was a happy Dhoni strolling out after beating Australia. You could see him intensely happy, but also bonelessly relaxed. That just about summed it up for me, the adrenalin rush that keeps going, and Dhoni at the helm," Kesavan says.


Cairns, as he would, preferred to put it into perspective. "During the 50-over World Cup, everything was about off the field that was written in the media. This World Cup has been all about on-field. And that's what cricket is all about. It was great to see things written about guys hitting the ball, bowling the ball and fielding the ball."


We were all skeptical about Twenty20 cricket when this World Cup started. But most of us, by now, have become converts.
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                       Bulls in the Ring (A preview)
Around this time of the year a mass migration of wildebeest takes place across Marai Masa plains on the African continent that is both spectacular and phenomenal for its sheer numbers. Something similar is happening amongst sub continental cricket fans as they descend on Johannesburg to witness a feat that has never taken place before on a cricket field. A fantasy match that even Cricinfo could not have dreamed off as it put together its Fantasy series. An India - Pakistan final at a Cricket World Cup. Never mind if it is about 60 overs less than what fans would have ideally wanted, it’s a final after all.
Indian cricket fans will remember what happened the last time India played at the Wanderers in a WC final, but mercifully there are not many left in the current team who bear the scars from that encounter. In case Sehwag does not play, only Yuvraj and Harbajan will remain from that XI. Besides did we not pay back the Aussie’s for that defeat in Durban the previous night?
While India will seek to maintain a proud record of having never lost to Pakistan in a World Cup match, Malik and his ‘Men in Green’ will look to make history.
There are many Indian fans that are yet to recover from the ‘Durban Battle’ with Australia and feel that the final is just an anti-climax, but believe me all those thoughts will go out of the window once the teams line up in the Bullring. We need not win the World Cup but you just can’t lose to Pakistan can you? Unfortunately this time, both can not happen at the same time.
Luckily for fans in the Indian sub continent and the near east the game will end at an hour that will not make commuting to work the next day a hazard. However, how many will be in a mood to work if they don’t get the result that they want remains to be seen.
Whatever happens, ‘Mahi’ and his boys have certainly arrived!

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2007, 05:17:56 AM »
Sehwag should play only he is 100% and can run 100%. Because, if he aggravates the same injury, he will not be allowed a runner as per rules. He can get a runner only for an injury that happens during this match.

Dhoni has said it will most likely be the same team if Sehwag is fit. So, AA/YP for Jogi is highly unlikely. KKD if he plays is most likely to be WK IMO.
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                       Bulls in the Ring (A preview)
Around this time of the year a mass migration of wildebeest takes place across Marai Masa plains on the African continent that is both spectacular and phenomenal for its sheer numbers. Something similar is happening amongst sub continental cricket fans as they descend on Johannesburg to witness a feat that has never taken place before on a cricket field. A fantasy match that even Cricinfo could not have dreamed off as it put together its Fantasy series. An India - Pakistan final at a Cricket World Cup. Never mind if it is about 60 overs less than what fans would have ideally wanted, it’s a final after all.
Indian cricket fans will remember what happened the last time India played at the Wanderers in a WC final, but mercifully there are not many left in the current team who bear the scars from that encounter. In case Sehwag does not play, only Yuvraj and Harbajan will remain from that XI. Besides did we not pay back the Aussie’s for that defeat in Durban the previous night?
While India will seek to maintain a proud record of having never lost to Pakistan in a World Cup match, Malik and his ‘Men in Green’ will look to make history.
There are many Indian fans that are yet to recover from the ‘Durban Battle’ with Australia and feel that the final is just an anti-climax, but believe me all those thoughts will go out of the window once the teams line up in the Bullring. We need not win the World Cup but you just can’t lose to Pakistan can you? Unfortunately this time, both can not happen at the same time.
Luckily for fans in the Indian sub continent and the near east the game will end at an hour that will not make commuting to work the next day a hazard. However, how many will be in a mood to work if they don’t get the result that they want remains to be seen.
Whatever happens, ‘Mahi’ and his boys have certainly arrived!



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                       Bulls in the Ring (A preview)
Around this time of the year a mass migration of wildebeest takes place across Marai Masa plains on the African continent that is both spectacular and phenomenal for its sheer numbers. Something similar is happening amongst sub continental cricket fans as they descend on Johannesburg to witness a feat that has never taken place before on a cricket field. A fantasy match that even Cricinfo could not have dreamed off as it put together its Fantasy series. An India - Pakistan final at a Cricket World Cup. Never mind if it is about 60 overs less than what fans would have ideally wanted, it’s a final after all.
Indian cricket fans will remember what happened the last time India played at the Wanderers in a WC final, but mercifully there are not many left in the current team who bear the scars from that encounter. In case Sehwag does not play, only Yuvraj and Harbajan will remain from that XI. Besides did we not pay back the Aussie’s for that defeat in Durban the previous night?
While India will seek to maintain a proud record of having never lost to Pakistan in a World Cup match, Malik and his ‘Men in Green’ will look to make history.
There are many Indian fans that are yet to recover from the ‘Durban Battle’ with Australia and feel that the final is just an anti-climax, but believe me all those thoughts will go out of the window once the teams line up in the Bullring. We need not win the World Cup but you just can’t lose to Pakistan can you? Unfortunately this time, both can not happen at the same time.
Luckily for fans in the Indian sub continent and the near east the game will end at an hour that will not make commuting to work the next day a hazard. However, how many will be in a mood to work if they don’t get the result that they want remains to be seen.
Whatever happens, ‘Mahi’ and his boys have certainly arrived!



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Sehwag out.. KKD in.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2007, 11:41:09 AM »
BRING IT ON BOYZ!!!
will join in chat.
every game ive not been in chat for, and have been at the sports bar, we've won. (basically every game except NZ which was afternoon and i was here).
i will leave if we have a poor 1st inning!
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India win toss and bat..
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viroo out and yusuf pathan in. not kkd
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Wait a minute.. YP comes in for VS!!!
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Arafat in for Fawad.. Malik would have bowled
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YP could open !!

Debut in a final.. MSD has some cojones!!
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get the f on chat!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2007, 03:24:14 PM »
WE HAVE WON
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2007, 04:02:21 PM »
WE HAVE WON

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What a treat to the Pathans?

YP plays one match and wins the WC. WOW
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Dhoni said instead of giving Bhajji who was not 100% sure of getting his yorkers in, I decided to give it to Joginder who wants to make it big in International cricket

??? ??? ???
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Dhoni said instead of giving Bhajji who was not 100% sure of getting his yorkers in, I decided to give it to Joginder who wants to make it big in International cricket

??? ??? ???
i think he meant that he has the confidence and has something to prove in intl cricket
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2007, 04:30:06 PM »
I think MSD was too excited. He also said that it didn't matter even if they had lost (before the last over). Are you kidding me? So I won't pick on everything that he said.
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Will Frazer do a GC now? Is he going to claim credit for IKP's success like GC did for SG's? I hope not.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2007, 04:47:30 PM »
I think MSD was too excited. He also said that it didn't matter even if they had lost (before the last over). Are you kidding me? So I won't pick on everything that he said.

Not picking. I was just confused by what he said. Tis OK. Bottomline is WE HAVE THE CUP  :D :D :D

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