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CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« on: September 15, 2007, 05:28:13 AM »
Tendulkar offered Test, ODI captaincy
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New Delhi: Sachin Tendulkar will take over as the skipper of both the Test and the One-Day team.

According to sources, the selection committee has already spoken to Tendulkar and the Little Master has agreed to lead the Indian team although he will take another two days to give his final word.

Tendulkar has told the selection committee that he is willing to lead the Test and One-Day team once again but he should be appointed the captain on a series to series basis.

India Twenty20 skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni will be Tendulkar's deputy in both the teams, the sources added.

The post of the Indian Test and One-Day skipper fell vacant after Rahul Dravid decided to call it quits.

In a press release issued by the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) on Friday, Dravid was quoted as saying that he now "wanted to concentrate on his game and did not want to take the additional pressure of leading the side".

Dravid had already spoken to the BCCI President Sharad Pawar on Thursday in New Delhi about his decision to step down.

The selection committee will meet on September 18 to name the team for the upcoming One-Day series against Australia and are also expected to formally announce Tendulkar's appointment as the skipper of the team.

Tendulkar has led the Indian team twice in the past and was not very successful but the thinking in the BCCI and the selection committee is that given the turmoil that Indian cricket finds itself after Dravid's 'I Quit' call, only a senior and experienced hand should be given the responsibility.

Tendulkar has already led India in 25 Tests winning four, drawing nine and losing 12. In the ODIs, too, he does not have a great captaincy record.

Out of the 73 matches that Tendulkar led India in, the team lost 43, winning 23 other matches while six ended without a result with one tie.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2007, 05:41:02 AM »
WTF!!@!
I am one DGian who has been all for the Maharathis through time, but this is the height of stupidity.  >:(
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2007, 05:44:16 AM »
Thought so. What a useless Chairman of Selectors we have. Since the start of his tenure as the Chairman, he never kept secret of his intentions of making SRT the captain. Guys with selfish agenda ruling Indian cricket. The BCCI president, the Chairman of Selectors and now the Captain of Indian team.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2007, 06:03:31 AM »
GREAT !!!!!!!!  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 06:09:49 AM »
Does that mean Agarkar will never go?
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 06:17:10 AM »
Yes, it will also mean we can expect a repeat of 1999 on the aussie tour - a complete whitewash.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 06:38:52 AM »
Yes, it will also mean we can expect a repeat of 1999 on the aussie tour - a complete whitewash.
SRT was very cautious. He said series by series. So he may not lead to Australia, especially if we get a thumping at home.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 06:40:23 AM »
This is horrendous, if true. It sure seems like a Tendulkar-Vengsarkar-Pawar effort.

I think all DG'ians are unitedly against SRT as captain..
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 06:40:37 AM »
Yes, it will also mean we can expect a repeat of 1999 on the aussie tour - a complete whitewash.
SRT was very cautious. He said series by series. So he may not lead to Australia, especially if we get a thumping at home.

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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2007, 07:29:54 AM »
Dumb move really .. if you are anyway going backwards, you may as well go for Ganguly. He was surely better than SRT as captain. The only worry here is his place in the ODI squad ... I dont think he belongs there. But, as long as there is no problem with splitting the captaincy, there is no reason to not make SG the captain in tests and Dhoni / Yuvraj in ODIs.

Personally, I would like it to be one of Yuvraj / Dhoni for both tests & ODIs.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2007, 07:31:20 AM »
btw, it is amazing the kind of detective work / spin that the media puts .. apparently SRT has cancelled his trip to Kolkatta where he was to promote some biscuit brand  ... and this happens to be on the same day as the selection committee meets to pick the team of the ODIs ..

so, 2+2 = ______
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2007, 07:37:15 AM »
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2007, 07:39:32 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2007, 07:41:53 AM »
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2007, 08:01:13 AM »
This is horrendous, if true. It sure seems like a Tendulkar-Vengsarkar-Pawar effort.

I think all DG'ians are unitedly against SRT as captain..
Disagree.. given that there is no jr ready to take TEST captaincy and if the decision is not to split the captaincy, either SRT or SG would do. SG's position is iffy in ODIs .. recent performances not withstanding...and even in Tests he will be the one to go before SRT 
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2007, 08:20:29 AM »
SRT is too much bogged down in Tests. He puts himself under lot of pressure just as a batsman, even in normal circumstances. Think about critical situations like fighting to save a match, there will be hell lot of things going in SRT's mind. He is not the old Tendulkar who can take in any amount of pressure especially in Tests. There is no point making him a Test captain. The team will go from bad to worse.

The problem with earlier Tendulkar captaincy stints was that he expects every other player to be like himself, giving no less than 100% as he himself admitted. That is not at all bad to expect from professional cricketers. But lot of people (and some players) still think, professional cricketers also need to be nurtured like new born babies and still need to be motivated even when they are playing for their country.

That led to he getting agitated with other team members and things got worse & there came a situation where no player truly listened to him. As a result, his own batting went down and he realized the best thing to do was to resign to captaincy.

There was a recent situation, when we lost the 3rd ODI, where SRT got agitated about players not giving their 100% and he got into an argument with other players.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2007, 08:55:09 AM »
This is horrendous, if true. It sure seems like a Tendulkar-Vengsarkar-Pawar effort.

I think all DG'ians are unitedly against SRT as captain..
Disagree.. given that there is no jr ready to take TEST captaincy and if the decision is not to split the captaincy, either SRT or SG would do. SG's position is iffy in ODIs .. recent performances not withstanding...and even in Tests he will be the one to go before SRT 

First condition to see is if he is a good captain or not. Then comes longevity.
SRT is a failure on the first count and there is nothing to suggest it will be different now.

If anything, with his batting slump in tests, it is even more unlikely he will be any better.

What I don't like are the circumstances of this "coup".
I think the root of this is asking SRT to bat in the middle order in the WC. While it was stupid of RD
to do that, the reaction from SRT to covet the captaincy to secure his position is even more dangerous.

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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2007, 10:35:36 AM »
This is horrendous, if true. It sure seems like a Tendulkar-Vengsarkar-Pawar effort.

I think all DG'ians are unitedly against SRT as captain..
Disagree.. given that there is no jr ready to take TEST captaincy and if the decision is not to split the captaincy, either SRT or SG would do. SG's position is iffy in ODIs .. recent performances not withstanding...and even in Tests he will be the one to go before SRT 

First condition to see is if he is a good captain or not. Then comes longevity.
SRT is a failure on the first count and there is nothing to suggest it will be different now.

If anything, with his batting slump in tests, it is even more unlikely he will be any better.

What I don't like are the circumstances of this "coup".
I think the root of this is asking SRT to bat in the middle order in the WC. While it was stupid of RD
to do that, the reaction from SRT to covet the captaincy to secure his position is even more dangerous.



Well well well, a suck up gets his face dirty and nose brown doesn't he? Thats what RD has got, he toed the GC line totally and the result was he alienated the entire team in the process. He screwed SG over tried it with God himself and in the process got burnt so the result of such shenanigans are usually never in favour of growth in any case...
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2007, 10:46:05 AM »
This is horrendous, if true. It sure seems like a Tendulkar-Vengsarkar-Pawar effort.

I think all DG'ians are unitedly against SRT as captain..
Disagree.. given that there is no jr ready to take TEST captaincy and if the decision is not to split the captaincy, either SRT or SG would do. SG's position is iffy in ODIs .. recent performances not withstanding...and even in Tests he will be the one to go before SRT 

First condition to see is if he is a good captain or not. Then comes longevity.
SRT is a failure on the first count and there is nothing to suggest it will be different now.

If anything, with his batting slump in tests, it is even more unlikely he will be any better.

What I don't like are the circumstances of this "coup".
I think the root of this is asking SRT to bat in the middle order in the WC. While it was stupid of RD
to do that, the reaction from SRT to covet the captaincy to secure his position is even more dangerous.



Well well well, a suck up gets his face dirty and nose brown doesn't he? Thats what RD has got, he toed the GC line totally and the result was he alienated the entire team in the process. He screwed SG over tried it with God himself and in the process got burnt so the result of such shenanigans are usually never in favour of growth in any case...

It is terrible to say this...just based on hearsay. So Dravid tried to screw Ganguly? Did n't Ganguly screw himself to start the process. Dravid was trying to do his best of a bad bargain. He had  a coach who was monster, he had seniors who were at odds with coach, seniors who wanted to stick to their postions regardless of what was good for the team ,seniors who were not getting along with each other etc. With all this,  if Dravid also had to throw a tantrum or pick up a fight the team would have disintegrated. He atleast tried to make it look like unit although it never was
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2007, 10:07:49 PM »
How did RD screw Ganguly? Just because he agreed with the coach about needing good fielders and fitter players?

For all the doubters all they have to do is to look at the Indian 20 20 team.  A much fitter (and younger outfit) which fields so much better than our ODI team full of these aged stars.  I wish I had the energy to count the number of runs saved yesterday that our ODI team would have let go.  Do remember that in England merely the entry of Robin Uthappa into the team made the fielding better.  In 20 20 we have replaced atleast 4 poor fielders (RD,SRT,SG, Munaf) and the fielding has suddenly gotten closer to world standards. 

RD/GC were mocked for going for better fielders when that itself was the right way to go. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2007, 03:11:28 PM »
How did RD screw Ganguly? Just because he agreed with the coach about needing good fielders and fitter players?

For all the doubters all they have to do is to look at the Indian 20 20 team.  A much fitter (and younger outfit) which fields so much better than our ODI team full of these aged stars.  I wish I had the energy to count the number of runs saved yesterday that our ODI team would have let go.  Do remember that in England merely the entry of Robin Uthappa into the team made the fielding better.  In 20 20 we have replaced atleast 4 poor fielders (RD,SRT,SG, Munaf) and the fielding has suddenly gotten closer to world standards. 

RD/GC were mocked for going for better fielders when that itself was the right way to go. 



After seeing RD's fielding in recent times, that is a real howler    ;D ;D ;D
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2007, 01:03:35 AM »
This is horrendous, if true. It sure seems like a Tendulkar-Vengsarkar-Pawar effort.

I think all DG'ians are unitedly against SRT as captain..
Disagree.. given that there is no jr ready to take TEST captaincy and if the decision is not to split the captaincy, either SRT or SG would do. SG's position is iffy in ODIs .. recent performances not withstanding...and even in Tests he will be the one to go before SRT 

First condition to see is if he is a good captain or not. Then comes longevity.
SRT is a failure on the first count and there is nothing to suggest it will be different now.

If anything, with his batting slump in tests, it is even more unlikely he will be any better.

What I don't like are the circumstances of this "coup".
I think the root of this is asking SRT to bat in the middle order in the WC. While it was stupid of RD
to do that, the reaction from SRT to covet the captaincy to secure his position is even more dangerous.



Well well well, a suck up gets his face dirty and nose brown doesn't he? Thats what RD has got, he toed the GC line totally and the result was he alienated the entire team in the process. He screwed SG over tried it with God himself and in the process got burnt so the result of such shenanigans are usually never in favour of growth in any case...

It is terrible to say this...just based on hearsay. So Dravid tried to screw Ganguly? Did n't Ganguly screw himself to start the process. Dravid was trying to do his best of a bad bargain. He had  a coach who was monster, he had seniors who were at odds with coach, seniors who wanted to stick to their postions regardless of what was good for the team ,seniors who were not getting along with each other etc. With all this,  if Dravid also had to throw a tantrum or pick up a fight the team would have disintegrated. He atleast tried to make it look like unit although it never was

CnB,
RD screwed SG becos he did not participate in rasto rokos. ;D

In anycase, RD achieved Test series wins in WI and Eng - both historic.
An extremely poor WC07 was the big blackmark (and a poor Champions Trophy).

Between these there were some up and down perf (the long streak of wins by chasing in ODIs - that was a high).

Its best that RD focusses on his batting, and wins us (or helps us draw - sometimes we need this too) matches.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2007, 01:12:06 AM »
How did RD screw Ganguly? Just because he agreed with the coach about needing good fielders and fitter players?

For all the doubters all they have to do is to look at the Indian 20 20 team.  A much fitter (and younger outfit) which fields so much better than our ODI team full of these aged stars.  I wish I had the energy to count the number of runs saved yesterday that our ODI team would have let go.  Do remember that in England merely the entry of Robin Uthappa into the team made the fielding better.  In 20 20 we have replaced atleast 4 poor fielders (RD,SRT,SG, Munaf) and the fielding has suddenly gotten closer to world standards. 

RD/GC were mocked for going for better fielders when that itself was the right way to go. 



really? guess they had a day off yesterday.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2007, 01:19:14 AM »
How does one field 6s? Whatever (except for KKD's drop) was on the ground was fielded reasonably better by the Yengsters.
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2007, 01:22:16 AM »
I would love to have

RU
KKD
SR/RS
YS
MK
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or something in that order in the team. it is another matter that they will score next to nothing. ;D
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2007, 01:35:55 AM »
How does one field 6s? Whatever (except for KKD's drop) was on the ground was fielded reasonably better by the Yengsters.

hehe, but there were a few fumbles too, GG converting at least a couple of 2's to 3's and some poor throwing from the deep. it may have been better but nothing like "world class".
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2007, 02:13:11 AM »
All emotion aside, RD was a poor captain. Therefore a change in captaincy is good. Sachin will certainly be a better captain than RD because he has better decision making abilities brains. So we should welcome that.

It is quite clear that the best captain available in the team is Ganguly. However, it is not shocking that he has been skipped as captain. The Mumbai lobby were in no way going to tolerate someone as independent minded as Ganguly to captain the side, and given his journey from hell and back, you can bet he wouldn't have cared about the brain dead Mumbai lobby and the clown chairman of selectors and confrontation would have ensued. A pity, because it would have been a treat to see Ganguly battle the Aussies again, with a relatively weaker Indian side.

Dhoni is not yet there and burdening a batsman-WK with captaincy will be too much. I resent giving him the vice captaincy and grooming him for this very reason. He is bound to play 20-20 and ODIs so he will be triple slammed and his approach to batting will be at conflict with the huge responsibility that will fall on his shoulders should he become captain in all forms of the game.

Yuvraj seems a tad immature and hot-headed. Sehwag has not yet made it back to the test team, else he would have been a fine choice. Kumble might have been a good interim choice. Or Laxman too would have been a very good choice for the test captaincy as it would have strengthened his batting, IMO.

But SRT seems to have pined for it.  IMO, it is at least good that someone with leadership qualities wants it and got it. So let us see how he does in the twilight years. I hope this results in a filip to his test batting -- like I would have expected had it been Laxman. I am glad he took on a series-to-series responsibility. With our bowling resources, it is sure a gutsy decision to face up to Ponting, Hussey and Hayden and the new Australian bowlers who are itching to cement their places beside the very impressive Brett Lee.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2007, 04:21:46 AM »
CNN:IBN (headline/flavor of the day, compare this to the title of the thread ;D ) : Dhoni frontrunner for ODI captaincy

New Delhi: Mahendra Singh Dhoni is all set to be named the captain of the One-Day squad.

Dhoni will be the one who will be leading the team in the One-Dayers against Australia and Pakistan when the two teams tour India later this year.

Sachin Tendulkar, who wants to be choosy about playing in the ODIs, is likely to be offered the Test captaincy and though the Little Master is keen, he is yet to make up his mind.

On Tuesday when the selectors meet to name the teams for the upcoming home series against Australia, they will be passing on the One-Day captaincy to Mahendra Singh Dhoni.

The last two days have seen frenzied speculation about who will be lead India in Test and One-Dayers.

The equations have changed quite often but now the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has intervened and given a clear indication to the selectors.

Sources have confirmed to CNN-IBN that the BCCI wants Twenty20 skipper Dhoni to lead the side in the One-Dayers against Australia and Tendulkar will be handed over the reins of the Test squad.

At this moment spilt captaincy looks the most viable option.

It will give India a chance to restructure their One-Day team as players like Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid are in all likelihood not going to be there for the next World Cup.

Tendulkar has already indicated that he may take regular breaks from One-Dayers and that won't be an ideal situation for the team.

The BCCI and the selection committee is impressed with Dhoni’s overall attitude and the powers-to-be believe he is the most suitable youngster to take up this extra responsibility.

Keeping in mind the tough Test series against Pakistan and Australia, Tendulkar looks the best options for leading the team in the longer version of the game with his experience and authority.

The BCCI and the selectors are hoping that this formula will be acceptable to Tendulkar and everyone involved in this decision.

So at this moment chairman of the selection committee Dilip Vengsarkar and the other selectors are keen to test the leadership mettle of the Jharkhand batsman.

And going by the signs in the Twenty20 World Championship he may not be a bad choice at all.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2007, 04:22:53 AM »
All emotion aside, RD was a poor captain. Therefore a change in captaincy is good. Sachin will certainly be a better captain than RD because he has better decision making abilities brains. So we should welcome that.
Better brains != better decisions. Ex Dravid!
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2007, 04:29:10 AM »
Just make Yuvraj a certainty in both teams and let him be skipper. If this means one of the fab four have to miss out, so be it .. rotate them series wise or match wise. I dont care. It is only a matter of a year or so before Yuvraj anyway becomes a regular in the team. Just do it now.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2007, 11:33:34 AM »
Yes, it will also mean we can expect a repeat of 1999 on the aussie tour - a complete whitewash.
SRT was very cautious. He said series by series. So he may not lead to Australia, especially if we get a thumping at home.

I dont think SRT is realy keen. he shudnt be. i wudnt be if i were in his shoes. after all the world has seen what depths he has taken the team to in his last 2 stints.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2007, 11:25:37 PM »
All emotion aside, RD was a poor captain. Therefore a change in captaincy is good. Sachin will certainly be a better captain than RD because he has better decision making abilities brains. So we should welcome that.
Better brains != better decisions. Ex Dravid!

How do you know that Dravid has brains, let alone 'better brains'?
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2007, 12:39:59 AM »
RD did not have 'better brains' but 'matar brains' (pea-brained) ;D
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2007, 03:59:23 AM »
NDTV says the whole nation is waiting with bated breath to find out who the next Indian captain is

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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2007, 04:00:44 AM »
NDTV says the whole nation is waiting with bated breath to find out who the next Indian captain is

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LOL .. talk about sensationalising issues.
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2007, 05:01:50 AM »
All emotion aside, RD was a poor captain. Therefore a change in captaincy is good. Sachin will certainly be a better captain than RD because he has better decision making abilities brains. So we should welcome that.
Better brains != better decisions. Ex Dravid!

How do you know that Dravid has brains, let alone 'better brains'?
You said it, sir .. not me. see your quote
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2007, 12:52:56 PM »
RD was a great captain
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2007, 12:54:56 PM »
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Re: CNN-IBN : Sachin to captain Tests and ODIs
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2007, 12:55:30 PM »
But, what happened to CNN-IBN's sources??
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