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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2007, 05:32:28 AM »
Possibly. But the role of an allrounder can be overstated. Australia have only recently got an allrounder in Watson but even before they were dominating without an all rounder.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2007, 04:08:41 AM »
Reading the cricket new in the dailies nowadays has become something of a bore as there seems to be nothing new all having been discussed on this DG. You have Boycott saying that India should bat firts always and S.Dinakar talking about promoting KKD and leaving out GG, all thrashed out on this thread itself. Looks like we are really discussing 'Tomorrows News Today'.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2007, 04:16:51 AM »
Well, it now does look like a lot will be different.

I hope India rests all those who are down with fever and play with the rest.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2007, 04:29:33 AM »
Well, it now does look like a lot will be different.

I hope India rests all those who are down with fever and play with the rest.
If all those reports about the numbers down with fever are true then I doubt we will be able to make up a XI.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2007, 05:04:49 AM »
Reading the cricket new in the dailies nowadays has become something of a bore as there seems to be nothing new all having been discussed on this DG. You have Boycott saying that India should bat firts always and S.Dinakar talking about promoting KKD and leaving out GG, all thrashed out on this thread itself. Looks like we are really discussing 'Tomorrows News Today'.

Or probably the cricketing journos are lurking guests here  :P
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2007, 05:38:24 AM »
Reading the cricket new in the dailies nowadays has become something of a bore as there seems to be nothing new all having been discussed on this DG. You have Boycott saying that India should bat firts always and S.Dinakar talking about promoting KKD and leaving out GG, all thrashed out on this thread itself. Looks like we are really discussing 'Tomorrows News Today'.

Or probably the cricketing journos are lurking guests here  :P
Actually why not? A great place to get the pulse of the people and come out with 'informed' articles.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2007, 05:10:58 PM »
I said in my post that it will be a miracle if we decide to play five bowlers. It was based of the fact that we recently capitulated, batting wise, and it will be a bold captain who will go into the next match with fewer batsmen. On recent evidence we can negate that.

Again, I called it a miracle, because, by doing so RD would have taken into account that the county ground in Bristol often helps spinners (depending on the pitch used). That would mean that he would have listened to local experts – a fact conspicuous by its absence in the last match.

Looks like RD did play 5 bowlers, he did bat first and he also played 2 spinners (as some suggested based on Bristol local history and expert opinion). Is it a miracle? Is RD a bold captain? did RD actually listen to local experts? So many questions.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2007, 11:43:05 PM »
I said in my post that it will be a miracle if we decide to play five bowlers. It was based of the fact that we recently capitulated, batting wise, and it will be a bold captain who will go into the next match with fewer batsmen. On recent evidence we can negate that.

Again, I called it a miracle, because, by doing so RD would have taken into account that the county ground in Bristol often helps spinners (depending on the pitch used). That would mean that he would have listened to local experts – a fact conspicuous by its absence in the last match.

Looks like RD did play 5 bowlers, he did bat first and he also played 2 spinners (as some suggested based on Bristol local history and expert opinion). Is it a miracle? Is RD a bold captain? did RD actually listen to local experts? So many questions.

atticus

RD was a bold captain and an aggressive one at that. rewind to the SL tournament when he took over due to SGs suspension and you will know what i mean. i have said so before. even during the SL home ODIs (his first series as official captain) he was very good, but somewhere between then and now things have changed culminating in very negative decisions of late.

going by that i did not expect RD to play five bowlers (that he will play two spinners if 5 bowlers are picked is not a very difficult assumption). more than RD i put emphasis on how the normal indian think tank decides (almost always in favour of more batsman) along with the fact the we had a batting disaster the match before. (please note i was happier that PC was not dropped as i thought that it would have been a very, very unfair decision)

in view of the above facts it was indeed a bold decision from RD. Thankfully it paid off and the usual criticisms cannot now be put forward. imagine the two spinners going for a plenty and india losing the match.

local experts and the commentators today kept saying that it will take spin and it was evident as well. whether RD took the experts advice is anybodies guess. he didnt last time around and may or may not have done it this time. if he did it is a welcome sign, we need to use any possible avenue we can get hold of, to enable us to win matches.

if RD is learning from his mistakes it is for the best - may it continue.

full compliments and kudos for doing so, as well for a well earned win, despite the closeness of the result. May this help him lead the way he started off his career as captain. i am certainly hoping for that.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2007, 12:52:30 AM »
I said in my post that it will be a miracle if we decide to play five bowlers. It was based of the fact that we recently capitulated, batting wise, and it will be a bold captain who will go into the next match with fewer batsmen. On recent evidence we can negate that.

Again, I called it a miracle, because, by doing so RD would have taken into account that the county ground in Bristol often helps spinners (depending on the pitch used). That would mean that he would have listened to local experts – a fact conspicuous by its absence in the last match.

Looks like RD did play 5 bowlers, he did bat first and he also played 2 spinners (as some suggested based on Bristol local history and expert opinion). Is it a miracle? Is RD a bold captain? did RD actually listen to local experts? So many questions.

atticus

RD was a bold captain and an aggressive one at that. rewind to the SL tournament when he took over due to SGs suspension and you will know what i mean. i have said so before. even during the SL home ODIs (his first series as official captain) he was very good, but somewhere between then and now things have changed culminating in very negative decisions of late.

going by that i did not expect RD to play five bowlers (that he will play two spinners if 5 bowlers are picked is not a very difficult assumption). more than RD i put emphasis on how the normal indian think tank decides (almost always in favour of more batsman) along with the fact the we had a batting disaster the match before. (please note i was happier that PC was not dropped as i thought that it would have been a very, very unfair decision)

in view of the above facts it was indeed a bold decision from RD. Thankfully it paid off and the usual criticisms cannot now be put forward. imagine the two spinners going for a plenty and india losing the match.

local experts and the commentators today kept saying that it will take spin and it was evident as well. whether RD took the experts advice is anybodies guess. he didnt last time around and may or may not have done it this time. if he did it is a welcome sign, we need to use any possible avenue we can get hold of, to enable us to win matches.

if RD is learning from his mistakes it is for the best - may it continue.

full compliments and kudos for doing so, as well for a well earned win, despite the closeness of the result. May this help him lead the way he started off his career as captain. i am certainly hoping for that.

Very well written and I agree with you.
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Re: What should be different for 2nd ODI?
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2007, 06:31:52 AM »
The 2 spinner ploy paid off - but I was not in favor of it at the start of the game. I still maintain I dont think it can be a long time thing. I believe we have to go in with 6 batsmen. And one of the batsmen should be good enough to bowl.

Btw did you realise yesterday we went in with 4 batsmen, 5 bowlers and 2 wicketkeepers ?
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