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Chak De! India..
« on: August 07, 2007, 09:25:17 AM »
Donno about you guys.. I am looking forward to this one from SRK. (Hoping it is the Swades version of SRK rather than the KANK version)
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'Audiences are going to get their money's worth'

August 07, 2007 | 12:31 IST


Born in U*a, filmmaker Shimit Amin has dabbled in all forms of the craft, from sound to editing. His first film for Ram Gopal Varma productions, Ab Tak Chhappan, won him raves across India.

Now, he moves to a genre far from the gritty cop drama that fuelled his debut. Chak De! India stars Shah Rukh Khan and several unfamiliar faces that form a women's hockey team. The odds are stacked against them, of course. Shimit is confident though. He tells Raja Sen why...

I'm a huge fan of Ab Tak Chhappan. And this is such a departure from that in terms of genre...

Thanks. And well, they're both genre films. I'm not that averse to making genre stuff because most films are that, for me. They are different genres altogether, yeah, but they both have stories and characters which were interesting and worked. Both have a kind of Indianness to them; it only happens in India, you know?


So what is it that draws you to a script?


A good story and characters. And an opportunity to do something that challenges you, because of the content there is. You know, it did challenge me to make this kind of a movie.

Does that mean you were more comfortable with Ab Tak Chhappan?

Yeah. In a way, being uncomfortable about making a film can be what's interesting about it. You want to explore that and see what kind of a story you can tell. That way I think each work you want to try and find something interesting because you spend a year or two of your life on a film. They're good, solid stories, and that's what I look for -- a solid story that doesn't need the frills, but still works.

Which genre are you closer to? Which film would you be more likely to watch, as a viewer?

Both. I mean, beyond these genres, there are so many other genres I like. It's not like I feel this is a good genre and the only genre I want to do. I feel like I want to explore different tones. Every film has a different way you can approach it, and the more I explore that, the more interesting my work becomes.


In terms of watching, I like everything. Even abstract stuff.But I wouldn't attempt it. It's not my thing, I'm not equipped to handle it. But I love watching experimental stuff. I also love commercial ideas and get swept away by characters and emotions.



At the end of the day, you can say you're influenced by someone like (Ingmar) Bergman, who just passed away, but (laughs) your work has nothing to do with it! So you feel silly saying it.


What is it about a sports film that appeals to you? Isn't it a very predictable arc from the beginning?
Of course it is. But it's all about the characters. Yes, you know how it is going to be, but it's all about whom you take that journey with. That is as important as the journey itself. At the same time, it's always fun to play with your expectations. To see if you can make something people don't expect you to.

Where did this particular story come from?
It came from the writer, Jaideep Sahni. Years ago, he read an article about a women's hockey team that won some kind of championship. It was a small article buried somewhere on the back page. It haunted him -- who are these people? Who goes out and plays for the country and gets such little notice? Why is it not mentioned as much as the men's team is?

They work as hard as anybody but the money isn't there. As we started researching, we realised there are a lot of odds these players are up against. He read and read and amassed data before pitching the story to Adi Chopra, saying this story must be made. That is when I got involved in it.

You weren't involved at the conceptual level?

Not at all. When the script landed on my doorstep, I thought it a fascinating story, full of character and Indian values. I wanted to take a crack at it for it�was full of humour and pathos with�a level of intelligence.I wouldn't have expected it from a project like this, which is why I'm here. The way it is written is quite amazing.

The promos seem to reveal -- correct me if I'm wrong -- this is a 'no-heroine' film. Isn't that a big risk?
Yes, there are no heroines. That was something we didn't require because of the way the story was carved out. The idea just didn't require the usual garnish, but still worked. We said, okay, this is a strong script and there is enough content in it without us having to cloud the film's focus.

But a bunch of new girls, with no heroine -- didn't it seem like a commercial risk?
We had an enormous amount of faith in the script. Making a film is a mere translation of the script, and we loved the story, and these characters. We also knew it was vital we treat these characters well; it would only work if we cast each of them just right.


Also, do you think it's the kind of film that wouldn't have been made in India five years ago? What did you think of a film like Iqbal?
I think it's a wonderful film. It was groundbreaking in terms of the subject matter he (Nagesh Kukunoor, director) chose, and he showed that you can do something like that here. Nagesh's work is phenomenal that way, that he keeps pushing it. It's amazing that he's able to keep bringing in bigger and bigger audiences; quite exciting for all of us.


Tell us about Shah Rukh's character.
He plays an ex-hockey player who comes into the team after something has gone wrong in his life. He completely takes up this women's team and tries to push it, against a lot of obstacles, towards the world championship. He has suffered some loss and there is a certain association with his country, and his affection for it. It is something that has happened to a lot of players in the past, and this story is about his perseverance to make it work.

Was it a conscious decision to take girls from every possible state, in an effort to give the team an all-India feel?
If you research most Indian teams, you will see that people come from all over the country. And as I said, it is a very Indian film in the sense that if you look at the drama involved -- because of our diverse backgrounds -- it is already there; you can't buy that kind of drama. Different backgrounds, different socio-economic classes: The team was�going to have some issues.

Was casting hard?
It was very, very difficult. We spent five to six months, and it was very strenuous because the requirement was they had to play -- and act.

Learning hockey is very tricky unlike, say, football. You have to know how to hold the stick, how to manoeuvre it, so it doesn't look fake on screen. We had training sessions for three to four months. They had to wake up at 4:30 am, go to camp and stick to a diet. It was pretty crazy, but we had to do it.

Unlike cricket, this is a very physical sport with 70 minutes of strenuous running, pushing a stick and bending that could break your back. The ball can hit you, as can the stick; we had to take many precautions to make sure our players knew what they had to do.

They had to be fit enough to go for 70 minutes -- actually, more, because we were shooting over an eight-hour day. For those who were originally players, we had to make sure they were able to act as well. The dialogue was weighty; it isn't frivolous. It has to be delivered with a certain tone, in a certain manner.

This film is also about awareness. A lot of your urban audience probably doesn't even know how hockey is played.
Exactly. We have made a conscious effort�to entertain as well as�'teach'�about the sport. It shouldn't feel like a lesson.

Do you think it could win the sport of hockey some fans?
I think it can. We became fans. I didn't know much about hockey when we started.

Shah Rukh has played hockey before. Is that partly the reason he plays the lead?
Shooting a match with him was easy because of the way he took to it. He knew the drill really well. As for why Shah Rukh Khan,�we were just lucky. It was a huge coincidence�that he turned out to be a hockey player.

Do you play at all?
I don't. I'm not a sportsperson at all.

Does that make it harder to connect with a film like this then?
No, because I think I can make things dramatic. It's not harder to connect when I can identify with the dramatic elements in the story. I know what can make it work, what to pull, what to polish. It is an immensely dramatic film.

You know cricket; you know Sachin Tendulkar. But you don't know about the adversities people like them have to go through. They go through an enormous number of situations you and I could never imagine. Let's say you're in a tournament and something happens in your family, but you have to play tomorrow. What do you do?

Your first film did really well, while your second is shrouded by immense hype. How does that feel?
I don't know how much hype there is. Ultimately, people have to watch it and judge for themselves. I can't judge it because I get different reactions. There's no razzle-dazzle, but we have tried to stay true to the story and audiences are going to get their money's worth.

That's a big promise right there.
I'm pretty confident you will sit down and won't find anything that feels very out of place. I think the team has done a pretty good job. This wasn't easy training, and the entire cast and crew worked very hard. Something makes it very special when your cast is this dedicated, and I think that shows in the movie. You can tell you're making not a regular movie, but something special
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2007, 09:30:34 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2007, 09:33:52 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2007, 09:38:38 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
OK. Credited the above. Now do tell me why you think this is necessarily a good thing [if you do so, as it seems like]?
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 10:00:33 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
OK. Credited the above. Now do tell me why you think this is necessarily a good thing [if you do so, as it seems like]?
Well.. from what I have read(and all this could be proven wrong, once I see the movie ;D ), the fact that an honest attempt is being made to tell a story (that would appeal to "niche" audiences only) with an ignored sport and an ignored set of real-life heroines (and hero) as its centerpiece, is a good thing.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 10:00:40 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory

Sure ...but the worry is that the movie becomes another vehicle to showcase SRK's histrionics rather than the actual plot ...and that is something the Chopras are known to do. My worry is that segments such as SRK's past and how he gets over all of that will take precedence over the hockey angle. Of course, I hope I am pleasantly surprised ... will figure out this weekend.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 10:02:54 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory

Sure ...but the worry is that the movie becomes another vehicle to showcase SRK's histrionics rather than the actual plot ...and that is something the Chopras are known to do. My worry is that segments such as SRK's past and how he gets over all of that will take precedence over the hockey angle. Of course, I hope I am pleasantly surprised ... will figure out this weekend.
Yep.. this weekend will tell ;D
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2007, 10:14:06 AM »
I have been a hockey player and I love the sport even today (though I cant stand to see India or Pak play anymore), from the clips and promos I have seen across movie halls it seems like the focus is on the sport more than the characters...

Apparently the character of SRK is based on Mir Ranjan Negi-now lets see how many people know who he is or what is his claim to fame??
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2007, 10:45:27 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
OK. Credited the above. Now do tell me why you think this is necessarily a good thing [if you do so, as it seems like]?
Well.. from what I have read(and all this could be proven wrong, once I see the movie ;D ), the fact that an honest attempt is being made to tell a story (that would appeal to "niche" audiences only) with an ignored sport and an ignored set of real-life heroines (and hero) as its centerpiece, is a good thing.

Honest attempt... Hmm... not so sure. Why is it 'honest'? Because it has been made with the profit motive in mind? Or because it tells a true story? Or is it because it is true to the true story?

What is so special about appealing to niche audiences? And if it is indeed special, why not celebrate the so called arty-farty films that win phoren awards?

....................

See, LN, no hard feelings, but I just don't see any reason to celebrate the fact that our film industry has learned to copy Hollywood genres. I also don't see it as a sign of maturity, as is often made out of this issue. I look at it as simple economics. As soon as the producers realized that a critical (audience) mass has been reached, they stopped producing the all-India 3 1/2 hr long, 22 song laden Chaudhuri parivar vs Sharma parivar melodrama — in the same qtys they used to do before.

Good business sense - yes. 

Maturity - come again?
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2007, 10:51:22 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
OK. Credited the above. Now do tell me why you think this is necessarily a good thing [if you do so, as it seems like]?
Well.. from what I have read(and all this could be proven wrong, once I see the movie ;D ), the fact that an honest attempt is being made to tell a story (that would appeal to "niche" audiences only) with an ignored sport and an ignored set of real-life heroines (and hero) as its centerpiece, is a good thing.

Honest attempt... Hmm... not so sure. Why is it 'honest'? Because it has been made with the profit motive in mind? Or because it tells a true story? Or is it because it is true to the true story?

What is so special about appealing to niche audiences? And if it is indeed special, why not celebrate the so called arty-farty films that win phoren awards?

....................

See, LN, no hard feelings, but I just don't see any reason to celebrate the fact that our film industry has learned to copy Hollywood genres. I also don't see it as a sign of maturity, as is often made out of this issue. I look at it as simple economics. As soon as the producers realized that a critical (audience) mass has been reached, they stopped producing the all-India 3 1/2 hr long, 22 song laden Chaudhuri parivar vs Sharma parivar melodrama — in the same qtys they used to do before.

Good business sense - yes. 

Maturity - come again?
Maturity be dammed and condemned to film festivals where communists abound and discuss at length the reason why the protagonist farted the way he did...

Boss it is entertainment that most are looking for, for self flagellation there is something called "life"
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2007, 11:52:14 AM »
Maturity be dammed and condemned to film festivals where communists abound and discuss at length the reason why the protagonist farted the way he did...

Were you ever thrown out of a film festival for not being a communist? Or were you just too afraid to enter and so formed your own idea?

Ever seen the crowd that throng film festivals? Trust me, even in the West, there is a large section out to catch up on the latest in S&M and other sexual pyrotechniques! ;)

So now you know what you've missed all the while for not being a communist! ;D

Boss it is entertainment that most are looking for, for self flagellation there is something called "life"

You missed my point. Which is not unusual. Anyway, I know it's entertainment. That is why I am unwilling to use qualitative terms of the order of 'honest', 'real-life' etc.

Besides, who says self flagellation cannot be entertainment for some? I say, to each his own, and live and let live.
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2007, 12:57:03 PM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
OK. Credited the above. Now do tell me why you think this is necessarily a good thing [if you do so, as it seems like]?
Well.. from what I have read(and all this could be proven wrong, once I see the movie ;D ), the fact that an honest attempt is being made to tell a story (that would appeal to "niche" audiences only) with an ignored sport and an ignored set of real-life heroines (and hero) as its centerpiece, is a good thing.

Honest attempt... Hmm... not so sure. Why is it 'honest'? Because it has been made with the profit motive in mind? Or because it tells a true story? Or is it because it is true to the true story?

What is so special about appealing to niche audiences? And if it is indeed special, why not celebrate the so called arty-farty films that win phoren awards?

....................

See, LN, no hard feelings, but I just don't see any reason to celebrate the fact that our film industry has learned to copy Hollywood genres. I also don't see it as a sign of maturity, as is often made out of this issue. I look at it as simple economics. As soon as the producers realized that a critical (audience) mass has been reached, they stopped producing the all-India 3 1/2 hr long, 22 song laden Chaudhuri parivar vs Sharma parivar melodrama — in the same qtys they used to do before.

Good business sense - yes. 

Maturity - come again?
Maturity be dammed and condemned to film festivals where communists abound and discuss at length the reason why the protagonist farted the way he did...

Boss it is entertainment that most are looking for, for self flagellation there is something called "life"

what's the connection between communists and film festivals? am i missing something?  ???  ???
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2007, 07:34:07 PM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory
OK. Credited the above. Now do tell me why you think this is necessarily a good thing [if you do so, as it seems like]?


Well.. from what I have read(and all this could be proven wrong, once I see the movie ;D ), the fact that an honest attempt is being made to tell a story (that would appeal to "niche" audiences only) with an ignored sport and an ignored set of real-life heroines (and hero) as its centerpiece, is a good thing.

Honest attempt... Hmm... not so sure. Why is it 'honest'? Because it has been made with the profit motive in mind? Or because it tells a true story? Or is it because it is true to the true story?

What is so special about appealing to niche audiences? And if it is indeed special, why not celebrate the so called arty-farty films that win phoren awards?

....................

See, LN, no hard feelings, but I just don't see any reason to celebrate the fact that our film industry has learned to copy Hollywood genres. I also don't see it as a sign of maturity, as is often made out of this issue. I look at it as simple economics. As soon as the producers realized that a critical (audience) mass has been reached, they stopped producing the all-India 3 1/2 hr long, 22 song laden Chaudhuri parivar vs Sharma parivar melodrama — in the same qtys they used to do before.

Good business sense - yes. 

Maturity - come again?
Maturity be dammed and condemned to film festivals where communists abound and discuss at length the reason why the protagonist farted the way he did...

Boss it is entertainment that most are looking for, for self flagellation there is something called "life"

what's the connection between communists and film festivals? am i missing something?  ???  ???

No you did not miss anything-Its just my opinion that at all film festivals these commie types abound and thats why "BORING" movies get awards while all the good ones get ignored...(Of course Iam biased) oh an by the way now in India they have gone the other way and given Amitabh an award for being the best actor in "Black" talk about complete opposites...
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2007, 07:35:44 PM »
Maturity be dammed and condemned to film festivals where communists abound and discuss at length the reason why the protagonist farted the way he did...

Were you ever thrown out of a film festival for not being a communist? Or were you just too afraid to enter and so formed your own idea?

Ever seen the crowd that throng film festivals? Trust me, even in the West, there is a large section out to catch up on the latest in S&M and other sexual pyrotechniques! ;)

So now you know what you've missed all the while for not being a communist! ;D

Boss it is entertainment that most are looking for, for self flagellation there is something called "life"

You missed my point. Which is not unusual. Anyway, I know it's entertainment. That is why I am unwilling to use qualitative terms of the order of 'honest', 'real-life' etc.

Besides, who says self flagellation cannot be entertainment for some? I say, to each his own, and live and let live.

FP that I missed your point is something I have admitted to many times (I just dont get you!! ;D)...no dude I have neither missed out on attending film festivals and allied entertainment etc but thats not my idea of entertainment...sorry...
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2007, 02:40:52 AM »
No you did not miss anything-Its just my opinion that at all film festivals these commie types abound and thats why "BORING" movies get awards while all the good ones get ignored...(Of course Iam biased) oh an by the way now in India they have gone the other way and given Amitabh an award for being the best actor in "Black" talk about complete opposites...

i realize that you have a very specific notion about the movies that make it to the film festivals and also the people who appreciate these movies - i don't concur with you on either point.

what about "black"?
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2007, 03:21:52 AM »
I have neither missed out on attending film festivals and allied entertainment etc but thats not my idea of entertainment...sorry...

So are you more into

a. same sex
b. animals
c. children
d. objects?

trust me... in a film festival, where there is no censorship, you will get more of the above, both on screen and off!  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2007, 03:48:54 AM »
The big risk lies in the probability that Shimit may have been Chopraised.
True..but give credit to them for backing this venture.. a few years ago, this movie/script would have been a non-starter. Credit multiplexes and the NRI territory

hmm i cant recall one art film that proved fecund in the nri belt

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2007, 04:18:52 AM »
These are the real women and coach that brought honor to India in 2002 Commonweath Games.  In the movie, their names and lifestyles have been twisted.

The coach:  Mir Ranjan Negi      a.k.a Shahrukh Khan as Kabir Khan in the movie

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Churchgate, Mumbai


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Height    157 cm
Weight    54 kg
Birthplace    Jharsa, Gurgaon, Haryana
Marital Status    Married - two children
Son Yashraj born in 2000
Daughter Kristina born in 2005
Languages    Punjabi, Hindi
Occupation    Employed by Northern Railway
Also runs a hockey academy in Sonepat, Haryana
Miscellaneous    Husband Kuldeep Siwach, Railways player

Seeta Gussain

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Date of Birth    January 7, 1973
Height    157 cm
Weight    55 kg
Birthplace    Nahan, Himachal Pradesh
Marital Status    Married, Son Ansh born on Nov 7, 2003 in Delhi


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City    
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Awards    Arjuna Puraskar (2001)
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Jan 2000 - Jabalpur (1st), Played for Railways
Sep/Oct 1998 - Chennai (1st), Played for Railways
Voted Player of the Tournament
National Games    Nov 2001 - Ludhiana (1st), Played for Haryana
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Mamata KHARAB


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Product Of    Sector 18 Sports Training Centre - SAI, Chandigadh
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City    Mumbai
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Awards    Arjuna Puraskar (2002)
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Senior Nationals    Mar 2002 - Jalandhar (1st), 2 GOALS
Jan 2000 - Jabalpur (3rd), 11 GOALS
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Nov 2001 - Ludhiana (2nd), Played for Maharashtra
Jun 1997 - Bangalore (3rd)
Federation Cup    Feb/Mar 2004 - Rajnandgaon, Chattisgadh (1st), Played for Railways
Inter-Railway Championship    Jan 2003 - Delhi (2nd)

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Languages    Manipuri, Hindi
Education    Standard 12th
Occupation    Senior Clerk, Western Railway

Suman Bala SAINI


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Height    165 cm
Weight    59 kg
Birthplace    Shahbad Markanda, Haryana
Marital Status    
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Education    Guru Nanak Dev Senior Secondary School
Kurukshetra District, Haryana
Address in India    

Saba Anjum Karim


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Height    156 cm
Weight    49 kg
Birthplace    Durg district, Chattisgadh
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Languages    
Education    Adarsh Kanya Vidyalaya
Durg, Chattisgadh

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Weight    68 kg
Birthplace    Manipur
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Helen Mary Innocent

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Date of Birth    March 14, 1977
Height    165 cm
Weight    65 kg
Birthplace    Kerala
Marital Status    Married to Lakshman Rao in 2003
(Forward in Karnataka Police hockey team)
Languages    Malayalam, Kannada
Education    B. Com. (2nd Year)
Occupation    Works for Central Railway in Mumbai
 

Sumarai TETE


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Date of Birth    November 15, 1979
Height    153 cm
Weight    57 kg
Birthplace    Simdega, Jharkhand
Marital Status    
Languages    
Education    Bariyatu Government Girls High School
Ranchi, Jharkhand
B.A. (Part I)
Occupation    Works for South-Eastern Railway

Masira SURIN



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Date of Birth    November 18, 1981
Height    152 cm
Weight    52 kg
Birthplace    Simdega, Jharkhand
Marital Status    
Languages    
Education    Bariyatu Government Girls High School
Ranchi, Jharkhand


Adeline KERKETTA

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Date of Birth    September 22, 1981
Height    155 cm
Weight    46 kg
Birthplace    Ranchi, Jharkhand
Marital Status    
Languages    
Education    Bariyatu Government Girls High School
Ranchi, Jharkhand

 

Kaanti Baa


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Date of Birth    November 15, 1979
Height    163 cm
Weight    51 kg
Birthplace    Simdega district, Jharkhand
Marital Status    
Languages    
Education    Bariyatu Government Girls High School
Ranchi, Jharkhand (10 + 2)
Occupation    Works for Central Railway in Mumbai

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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2007, 04:27:57 AM »
Wow... after saba karim the cricketer... now saba karim the lady hockey player...
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2007, 04:45:40 AM »


This team should be called Jharkhand (Jungli XI) is it surprising that not one is from a big city?
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2007, 04:47:48 AM »
I have neither missed out on attending film festivals and allied entertainment etc but thats not my idea of entertainment...sorry...

So are you more into

a. same sex-
b. animals-
c. children-
d. objects?-

trust me... in a film festival, where there is no censorship, you will get more of the above, both on screen and off!  ;D

My preferences, predilections are a topic for another thread (which will be intensely boring cause there is nothing new in any of it)
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2007, 06:42:22 AM »
Jai:
You have had the Chak De India poster on your sig for a while. Any special personal connection with the movie or team or hockey?
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2007, 06:49:50 AM »
By the way do people know that Mir Ranjan Negi let through 7 goals in the finals of ASIAD 82 and ensured one of Indias worst defeats in world hockey. There were major aspersions of corruption and fixing thrown on this guy and some of it stuck as well.
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2007, 02:48:32 PM »
Jai:
You have had the Chak De India poster on your sig for a while. Any special personal connection with the movie or team or hockey?

No, LN. No personal connection. I am not in the same league as CLR.  :D And before you ask, I don't have any personal connection with Angie either.  :P I like to keep changing my sig and avatar from time to time, this particular one caught my eyes. I am also a huge movie buff and always appreciate movies those are hat ke although being a YR production, I have my doubts how hat ke this one is going to be. YR has disappointed big time with their last two movies. I had high hopes from Shaad Ali after his 'B&B' which I immensely enjoyed, but 'JBJ' was a complete bakwas. I've enjoyed AT56 from Shimit Amin, let's see what he has to offer with Chak De India. Btw, during those 'not so bad' days of Indian hockey when we used to have players like Bhaskaran, Merwyn Fernandes, Md. Shahid, Zafar Iqbal, I used to follow the sports with lots of enthusiasm although I've never played it at any level. Same with football when we used to have some decent players in the Kolkata football league and the only foreign players played in the Kolkata league at that time were Majid, Jamshes  Nassiri, Chima Okerei and not so many substandard ones like now. I remember there was one player by the name of Gautam Sarkar who was famous for his free kicks and Shyam Thapa who was famous for his 'bicycle' kicks. There were many more...I'll save it for another day and another thread.
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2007, 02:59:18 PM »
Jai:
You have had the Chak De India poster on your sig for a while. Any special personal connection with the movie or team or hockey?

No, LN. No personal connection. I am not in the same league as CLR.  :D And before you ask, I don't have any personal connection with Angie either.  :P I like to keep changing my sig and avatar from time to time, this particular one caught my eyes. I am also a huge movie buff and always appreciate movies those are hat ke although being a YR production, I have my doubts how hat ke this one is going to be. YR has disappointed big time with their last two movies. I had high hopes from Shaad Ali after his 'B&B' which I immensely enjoyed, but 'JBJ' was a complete bakwas. I've enjoyed AT56 from Shimit Amin, let's see what he has to offer with Chak De India. Btw, during those 'not so bad' days of Indian hockey when we used to have players like Bhaskaran, Merwyn Fernandes, Md. Shahid, Zafar Iqbal, I used to follow the sports with lots of enthusiasm although I've never played it at any level. Same with football when we used to have some decent players in the Kolkata football league and the only foreign players played in the Kolkata league at that time were Majid, Jamshes  Nassiri, Chima Okerei and not so many substandard ones like now. I remember there was one player by the name of Gautam Sarkar who was famous for his free kicks and Shyam Thapa who was famous for his 'bicycle' kicks. There were many more...I'll save it for another day and another thread.

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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2007, 05:20:21 PM »
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By the way do people know that Mir Ranjan Negi let through 7 goals in the finals of ASIAD 82 and ensured one of Indias worst defeats in world hockey. There were major aspersions of corruption and fixing thrown on this guy and some of it stuck as well.

Yeah we lost 7-1 after leading 1-0 courtesy Zafar Iqbal. Negi and Charanjit SIngh were banned after the final. To my knowledge they never played again for India.
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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 06:07:04 PM »
Jai:
You have had the Chak De India poster on your sig for a while. Any special personal connection with the movie or team or hockey?

No, LN. No personal connection. I am not in the same league as CLR.  :D And before you ask, I don't have any personal connection with Angie either.  :P I like to keep changing my sig and avatar from time to time, this particular one caught my eyes. I am also a huge movie buff and always appreciate movies those are hat ke although being a YR production, I have my doubts how hat ke this one is going to be. YR has disappointed big time with their last two movies. I had high hopes from Shaad Ali after his 'B&B' which I immensely enjoyed, but 'JBJ' was a complete bakwas. I've enjoyed AT56 from Shimit Amin, let's see what he has to offer with Chak De India. Btw, during those 'not so bad' days of Indian hockey when we used to have players like Bhaskaran, Merwyn Fernandes, Md. Shahid, Zafar Iqbal, I used to follow the sports with lots of enthusiasm although I've never played it at any level. Same with football when we used to have some decent players in the Kolkata football league and the only foreign players played in the Kolkata league at that time were Majid, Jamshes  Nassiri, Chima Okerei and not so many substandard ones like now. I remember there was one player by the name of Gautam Sarkar who was famous for his free kicks and Shyam Thapa who was famous for his 'bicycle' kicks. There were many more...I'll save it for another day and another thread.

How can you forget Krishnanu Dey??

As I said, I'd save it for another thread and another day. There are many more names like Bikash Paanji, Sudeep Chatterjee, Shishir Ghosh, Bidesh Bose, Subrata Bhattacharjee (my favorite because of his attitude), Prsaun Banerjee (brother of PK), Prashanta Bannerjee etc.
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2007, 07:04:44 PM »
Speaking of hockey players of old..

How about some of the players who won us the WC in Kuala Lumpur..

The names that come to my mind immediately are Aslam Sher Khan, Shivaji Pawar, Ashok Kumar, Ajit Pal Singh (and there was a PC specialist from Orissa whose name is slipping my mind). I remember the huge felicitation ceremony that we had for Aslam and Shivaji Pawar (both MP players) in Bhopal when they came back. A ground called Lal Parade Maidan was filled with 1000s of people who were cheering them throughout a 2-3 hour ceremony. Aslam and shivaji were so modest..saying that they are not good at giving speeches but can play hockey on stage ;D ;D

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By the way do people know that Mir Ranjan Negi let through 7 goals in the finals of ASIAD 82 and ensured one of Indias worst defeats in world hockey. There were major aspersions of corruption and fixing thrown on this guy and some of it stuck as well.

Yeah we lost 7-1 after leading 1-0 courtesy Zafar Iqbal. Negi and Charanjit SIngh were banned after the final. To my knowledge they never played again for India.

well, maybe that forms a part of the movie as well ... the trailer says, "after being disowned by his country some years back, Kabir Khan (SRK) comes back to help the team win a gold" or something like that.

i am 100% sure that SRK wont be shown as someone who fixed the match ...maybe some conspiracy angle with a villain thrown in would be the solution
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2007, 06:41:15 AM »
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By the way do people know that Mir Ranjan Negi let through 7 goals in the finals of ASIAD 82 and ensured one of Indias worst defeats in world hockey. There were major aspersions of corruption and fixing thrown on this guy and some of it stuck as well.

Yeah we lost 7-1 after leading 1-0 courtesy Zafar Iqbal. Negi and Charanjit SIngh were banned after the final. To my knowledge they never played again for India.

This is the only other occasion that I cried after a match -the other being when Brazil lost to France in the Mexico World Cup. This hockey match started with such a lot of promise and excitement and i think we scored the first goal within minutes of the bully-off and in less than 10 minutes after than we fizzled out so badly that it cast a pall of gloom not just over hockey but almost all other sports in the Asiad.
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2007/08/10/stories/2007081050570100.htm

Back to the goal post

M.R. Negi on celluloid? Not exactly but the former India goalkeeper has been the guiding spirit of “Chak De India”, a Shah Rukh Khan-starrer that is based on hockey. VIJAY LOKAPALLY

I refused when the offer came. I tried pushing Mervyn (Fernandes), Dhanraj (Pillay), Clarence (Lobo) into it but the film-makers wanted me. I don’t know why

Photo: Ashok Vahie

All in the game Mir Ranjan Negi

Goalpost, astro-turf, spectators, media…How he wished he could delete them from his memory…..He would wake up in the middle of the night, perspiring, gasping, petrified; hockey seemed a curse.

“Why did I ever play this game,” he would ask himself, avoiding public glare, rendered helpless at being vilified for a loss. How could an individual, a goalkeeper in this case, be savaged for a defeat, and not the other 10 on the same turf? Was hockey not a team game?

For Mir Ranjan Negi, life had become a nightmare. The 7-1 defeat at the hands of Pakistan in the 1982 Asian Games final had brought unprecedented humiliation for India in a sporting arena. The nation went into a mourning and Negi into hiding.

Negi was accused in some quarters of having conceded those goals. In truth, the failure was collective. His team-mates stood by him but then they hardly mattered. He quit the game. He had no choice really. He was not spared at his wedding too, unruly elements disconnecting the power supply to the venue!

He returned to the hockey field, most grudgingly, 16 years later as a goalkeeping coach. India won the 1998 Asian Games gold at Bangkok, but the joy was short-lived as Negi, along with six players and the chief coach, was sacked by an ungrateful federation.



Trained the girls for six months as none of them even knew how to hold the hockey sticks.

The affable Negi now shifted to train the girls, won the Commonwealth Games gold in 2002, again contributing as a goalkeeping coach. Two years later, fate dealt a cruel blow. His 19-year-old son, Abhiranjan, died in a road accident.

Negi quit coaching too. He was lost to the world of hockey. Out of this struggle a story was born, the script woven around Negi’s inspiring comeback, a stirring saga that assumed the form of a movie with Shah Rukh Khan living the role on the big screen, much to the delight of the hockey fraternity.

“Lagaan”, “Iqbal”, “Hip Hip Hurray”, “Saheb”, “Awwal Number” and the more recent, “Tara Rum Pum” have been films with a sports theme. But “Chak De India” promises to be different.

“I refused when the offer came. I tried pushing Mervyn (Fernandes), Dhanraj (Pillay), Clarence (Lobo) into it but the film-makers wanted me. I don’t know why,” says Negi.
Best suited

Reluctantly he made a trip to the studio on the request of writer Jaideep Sahni and was hardly excited when he was handed the script. “But after two pages, I was transported back into time,” the Customs Officer from Mumbai discloses.

Producer Aditya Chopra convinced Negi that he was the man best suited to guide the filmmakers. “I was apprehensive because I have never been a film buff. Believe me, I have not seen even ‘Lagaan’,” confesses Negi.

Why did he agree then? “The story looked terrific and the characters so real. I saw hope for hockey through the medium of this film. And I changed my mind. I liked the atmosphere. I was also told that Yash Raj Films often make an impact with their movies. If women’s hockey could benefit with my little involvement in the making of a film on the game, why not?”

Negi was handed a collection of sports movies. “I was given CDs on the making of many sports films. It gave me basic idea of films. I met the 16 girls who make the team in this movie.

None of them had played or watched hockey. My job was to make them look real. As if it was the Indian team playing on the screen,” says the man who has provided the essential inputs to enhance the technical excellence of the movie.

“I trained the girls for six months. Waking up at 4, travelling from Kandivili to Churchgate. We would retire around 11 in the night. It was tiring. But we were on a mission.” The girls had problems wearing skirts. “They couldn’t run; couldn’t hold the hockey sticks. I ensured none of them cut their nails or eye-brows (as the players do). The girls have worked very hard. I salute them.”

For a particular shot, Shah Rukh took ten days. “It is a crucial moment in the movie. The angle and the execution is mind-blowing. Shah Rukh has done a tremendous job,” asserts Negi.

Hardly surprising, for Shah Rukh was the hockey captain at Delhi’s Hansraj College, even though he played football at school.
Hockey revival

On Shah Rukh, who is said to have done justice to the role, Negi says, “He is very humble, a great human being.

He has this amazing quality of remembering a person even though he may have met him for a mere two minutes. I spent two months with him when shooting in Australia. He showed genuine interest in the role because he loves hockey.”

Negi’s love for hockey stands revived. “It is a wonderful game and it needs support. The players need love and affection. Hockey will be back and believe me this movie will play a big role in creating awareness among the masses.

Women’s hockey is immensely attractive to watch. It is very popular abroad. Men’s hockey is brawny but women bring grace to the job.”

As Negi awaits the release of the movie this Friday, to watch the first show along with Shah Rukh, he would not mind, for a special and pleasant cause, going back to the goal post, the astro-turf, the media and the spectators. Only for the love of hockey!

Negi implores you to fill up the theatres. “It’s a beautiful film. There is amazing vibrancy about it. It is a treat.”
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GOAL MINER

Shah Rukh Khan plays a women’s team coach in an entertaining, if not entirely satisfying hockey saga.

by Baradwaj Rangan

AUG 12, 2007 - I’M NOT SURE this is entirely intentional, but the first time Kabir Khan (played by that other Khan, Shah Rukh) steps into a hockey stadium and strolls through its expanse, we note that the plastic bucket-seats are a shade of orange, that the walls are painted white, and that there’s nothing but the green of the playing field beyond – and this image beautifully sets up the crux of Shimit Amin’s Chak De India, which is about the national sport meeting the national spirit. Kabir is a former hockey player who takes on the only-in-the-movies task of making World Championship winners (in a mere three months) out of a disparate bunch of “chakla-belan chalaane wali Bharatiya nariyan.” (Desi homemakers: that’s how Anjan Shrivastava, hamming it up as the oily sports authority who’s the mandatory villain-figure, dismisses the women making up the team.)

Chak De India is ostensibly the story of real-life Indian goalie Mir Ranjan Negi, but we’ve seen these events unfold so many times on screen that the film slots itself instantly as A League of Their Own meets Prakash Jha’s Hip Hip Hurray. This is a similarly – and expertly – well-oiled compilation of sporting clichés that, on paper, make you groan but never fail to get you each time on screen: the underdog aiming for the million-to-one shot at glory, the team being a microcosm of India (with each player from a different state), the rebel who comes around in the end for the common cause, the infighting, the outsize egos, and, perhaps the biggest cliché of them all, the washed-up coach seeking redemption. But the way the latter comes through is anything but cliché. As was the case with the mopey loser he played in Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna, Kabir Khan is another gutsy character choice for our biggest star, and what’s gutsier is the way he appears to have surrendered to the director’s vision of this character.

Amitabh Bachchan played a character with a similar arc – a once-successful man who goes underground after being disgraced, only to return and redeem himself as some sort of savior – in Kaala Paththar (Yash Chopra’s underrated retooling of Joseph Conrad’s Lord Jim), but where Amitabh roiled with angst, Shah Rukh approaches his destiny with almost Zen calm. There’s, of course, that trademark shot of Shah Rukh’s – the one where a close-up reveals a face almost entirely immobile save for the region around the mouth, the ever-so-slight tremors around the thinly-pursed lips suggesting that the actor forgot to spit out the gum he was chewing before the director yelled “Action!” But otherwise, this is a remarkably restrained performance.

He rarely raises his voice except on the odd occasion where he breaks up a catfight between the girls, and even his rah-rah, pre-match inspiration speeches come across as extraordinarily rehearsed; his measured tones make it appear that he isn’t addressing a group of would-be giant killers so much as a bunch of little old ladies bent over their embroidery. Another movie – one that went for easy melodrama (not that there’s anything wrong with easy melodrama) – may have had him break down before his team about his infamy, an incident that would have spurred them to avenge their father-figure, but all Kabir does here is spur them to play for their country, and for each other. This is a film about team spirit in its truest sense.

But as wonderful it is to see the biggest name in our cinema today sharing equal time with a group of no-names – and as wonderful as Shah Rukh is – this performance (rather, the conception of this character) throws the movie off a bit. Chak De India can’t resist giving its hero a back story, but it’s also extremely coy about filling us in on this back story. I loved that the years Kabir Khan spent in self-imposed exile, after being disgraced, are a mystery to us. Late in the film, we see him fingering the silver medal he won after his flub cost his team the gold, and it’s not easy to read him. It’s a private moment that stays private; only he knows why he chose to come back as the coach of the flailing women’s team, that too after seven long – and surely agonising – years away from the game.

But is Chak De India really the kind of film where we want unspoken internal monologues? Somewhere along the line, I began to get the feeling that this is one time Shah Rukh really needed to have played to the gallery – for almost everyone else plays the broadest of caricatures, and the narrative itself is the broadest of contrivances. Scene for scene, I could sense the director trying to break away from filmmaking cliché – and yet, his story, his very format is a giant cliché. What is Javed Khan’s part if not an updated version of the benevolent Ramu kaka that was once AK Hangal’s stock-in-trade? What is it if not a lazy stereotype that the actress who plays the Punjabi team member has the kind of build that instantly qualifies her as a potential lead in a Hunterwali remake? What is it if not an easy potshot that a player’s cricket-star fiancé is a chauvinistic boor who all-too-expectedly sneers at her hockey-star aspirations? And what is it if not pathetic-fallacy melodrama that a key moment of conflict – okay, internal conflict – occurs during a major downpour, the skies weeping for our hero’s plight?

Kabir Khan seems to belong in a different movie than one containing these beloved elements of our popular cinema, one whose eardrum-busting background score all but holds up cue cards about the emotions you’re meant to register at any point. And yet, there’s no denying that part of the attraction of Chak De India is watching it flip-flop between what it could have easily been (a flat-out pump-your-fist-in-the-air sporting flick) and what it strives nobly to be (a more grounded, more textured pump-your-fist-in-the-air sporting flick) – and even outside the handful of beautifully conceived sequences (like the one where the coach deftly deflects a sexual proposition from one of his girls), the film is never less than watchable.

One reason is surely the foolproof-ness of the rooting-for-the-underdog-team genre, the underdog nature of this team emphasised brilliantly by a group of non-actors. (The standouts for me were Chitrashi Rawat, the pint-sized small-town girl with a huge chip on her shoulder about big-city méms, and Shilpa Shukla, as the team’s rebel without a cause.) But more importantly, there are slivers of reality amid all the sporting fantasy, touching reminders that we may be watching a fairy tale but one that’s set in our own backyard. A lot of heads in the southern part of our country will be nodding at the scene where a Telugu-speaker goes to register for training camp and she’s referred to as a Tamil. “Tamil aur Telugu mein kitna faraq hai?” the man at the desk mumbles, not as a question so much as a rhetorical statement. The girl doesn’t take affront; she merely replies, with the not-again weariness probably identifiable only by people from below the Vindhyas, “Utna hi, jitna Punjabi aur Bihari mein hai.”

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SRK and the M word

Saisuresh Sivaswamy

August 13, 2007

I should have taken on colleagues who said Chak De! India will flop. But alas, I happened to share Shah Rukh Khan's [Images] pre-release prediction that while it will be a good film, it won't be a commercial hit, and let the bet pass.

In hindsight, after watching -- and being swept away by -- the amazingly simple, yet amazingly inspirational film, I cannot stop raving about it. I thought Swades [Images] would be SRK's [Images] finest effort ever; but Chak De shows that the actor in him -- when not subsumed by his superstar status -- has a vast reservoir of emoting left to satisfy fans and critics alike for many more years.

Chak De's appeal among the audiences shows that even sans commercial considerations like song and dance, the mandatory fights, there is a vast market for a straight-forward, well-narrated tale. We have always known it from the multiplex hits like Bheja Fry etc; now we know such a market exists for stars and superstars as well. No one need remains a prisoner of their image.

Chak De is the tale of a disgraced hockey captain, Kabir Khan, and his attempt at redemption, reclaiming his honour by leading the unsung women's hockey team to world cup triumph. Yes, it is thus a story about gender equality -- a point that gets hammered many times through the narrative with dialogues like 'Tumlog belan chalanewali kidhar skirt pahinkar hockey stick leti ho?'

But to me, the film came across, and appealed, not for the blow it strikes for the country's most neglected sport nor for the fact that it shows that women are no less than men in any sphere they choose.

The film warmed to me because this was the first time the M-word has come to be at the centre of the superstar's oeuvre.

For throughout his illustrious career spanning two decades, Shah Rukh Khan has never played a Muslim character -- if you ignore that cameo in Kamal Haasan's [Images] Hey! Ram. Even in Chak De, there is NO allowance to the character's faith barring the name, Kabir Khan, the scraggly beard he sports, and the aadab with which he greets others. Not once is Kabir Khan shown doing the namaaz, not once is he shown clad in anything but 'Western attire', not once does he ever say he is a Muslim.

A still from Chak De! IndiaBut, much as the script overtly downplays any mention of Kabir Khan's faith, it is Khan's dilemma as a Muslim in today's India that courses through the narrative.

And that's the way Shah Rukh would have wanted it, I am sure. Unlike the other two Khans who share the mantle with him.

I have no idea if Salman Khan [Images] has played a Muslim in his films, and if he has, what kind of Muslim the character was. Aamir Khan [Images], given his nod towards realism, portrayed one that remains etched in my mind, Rehaan of Fanaa [Images]. Rehaan was a Kashmiri terrorist, clearly showing that Aamir will not duck any uncomfortable issue when it comes to his cinema. Rehaan fascinates me no end, since it was played by the same actor who also played ACP Rathore in the memorable Sarfarosh, the film that head-on tackled Pakistani terrorism in India.

Since then, I have been puzzling over the kind of Muslim Shah Rukh Khan will ever play, and the kind of film it will be. I got my answer with Chak De.

Shah Rukh has, in the past, spoken about his views on Islam, including to us, and they are reflective of the kind of person he is: Easy-going, and married to a Hindu. He is also extremely careful of the kind of roles he plays, and this extreme discretion is the reason -- I think -- that it has taken him this long to play a Muslim.

It cannot be easy to be a Muslim, in India and especially in these times. The moderate Muslim, who is in an overwhelming majority I am certain, has to constantly fight two demons: One from the past, of Partition and his/her perspective on Pakistan, a Muslim-majority nation inimical to India; and another ghost from the present, when Muslims are usually accused of engineering terrorist plots in India. Their silence often is reflective of the silence of the majority, of which we all are guilty of, but the silence of the Muslim is the one that is constantly highlighted.

A still from Chak De! IndiaI am sure SRK himself has had to face this dilemma, this doubt over his commitment to India. And it comes out in a searing line in the movie: 'Aise log Partition ke time mein hi Pakistan jaana chahiye tha.' It is a line, a charge, that must trouble SRK no end, as it does no doubt to millions of other Indians, for it returns to haunt him during the movie.

In my mind, the central theme running through the movie was: Can a Muslim be a Muslim and be loyal to India? Or to modify that, What must a Muslim do in the face of doubts over his loyalty to India?

It's a pressing question, for as SRK stops short of saying in another place, there is no second chance given to Muslims. When his friend, after pitching for SRK as the coach of the national women's team, consoles SRK's past failure by saying everyone is allowed one mistake, Humsab ki ek ghalati maaf, Shah Rukh Khan disagrees wryly: Sabki nahi, sabki nahi.

He doesn't use the M word here, or in any other place, but the message is very clear. There is no second chance to the Indian Muslim if he fumbles. As he repeats it towards the end, the burden of failure is too much to carry, most don't have it in them to survive.

But Kabir Khan has it in him. Falling off the radar for seven years, he resurfaces to reclaim his honour, restoring the public's faith in his nationalism. All the while training the young girls he only harps on one theme: India, nation, the tricolour. Submerge your regional identities, he exhorts them, play as Indians, be Indian, you are not from Tamil Nadu, Andhra, Manipur, Jharkhand... And, though he doesn't say it, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Parsi, Sikh. And when you play as an Indian, not only is the acclamation sure to follow, but it also wipes out any lingering doubts over your love for your country.

In the public domain, Kabir Khan worships the tricolour, breathes for India. We don't know what he does behind the doors of his home, which he so eloquently shuts on us in the last scene. The message is clear: Whatever I am in my home, when I step out, I do so as a proud Indian.

For someone like me searching for the kind of Muslim SRK will play, and I daresay the kind of Muslim SRK is, Kabir Khan is the answer. For Muslims caught in the pincer between extremism and majority scepticism, Kabir Khan provides the answer. For the others, Chak De provides some great moments.

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Re: Chak De! India..
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2007, 08:28:03 PM »
Ok finally watched the movie...

My personal verdict-reviews are very very over rated...

Its a decent movie with a taut story line-SRK as usual has done some acting some over acting...

Hockey is all prevalent in the movie but there are many other themes in here

Womens hockey is what they are promoting but there is build up on the status of the sport etc, the part where the mens' team plays the womens team was very melodramatic.

The final few minutes are pure adrenalin and almost no content per se'.

Final opinion worth a watch, don't go with too much of expectations of it being a great movie, if you liked Swades you might like this.
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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2007, 05:36:37 AM »
SOME SPOILERS ...

I liked the movie ...although there were some jarring bits for sure - mainly due to the temptation to make it more "exciting". SRK's much better in this movie .. although I think this is nowhere close to his performance in Swades. What I really enjoyed was the performance by the other actors ... most of them are in their first movie, but you wouldnt guess .. they are very natural.

The parts that jarred are largely related to the treatment in order to make the film more exciting ...i also think the attempts to make this look as an "against all odds" movie went a bit too far ..
like the women having to play a match against the guys in order to show that they are good enough ...

and then the sight of the player from Punjab smashing aside several Argentinain players (even throwing one of two of them over her shoulder) on the hockey pitch without the referees pulling her up .. of course, this is in response to the Argentinian players hitting out and fouling the Indian players at will ... again, without the refree saying anything .. paving the way for an SRK dialogue .. if they hit you once, you hit them twice ... if they hit you twice, you hit them four times ... itna maro ke woh tumhe marne ke baare me sooche hi nahin ... was hilarious

and, finally, the captain who is also the goalkeeper has nothing to do ... was it necessary to show that even the final penalty stroke that she saves ... the save is courtesy of SRK ... that was so typically filmy ..with SRK noticing how the Aussie striker's feet are positioned ... then in his mind pleading for her to look at him and then, you bet, she does ... and then he tells her what to do ... thus leading to the save ...
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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2007, 08:20:37 PM »
SOME SPOILERS ...

I liked the movie ...although there were some jarring bits for sure - mainly due to the temptation to make it more "exciting". SRK's much better in this movie .. although I think this is nowhere close to his performance in Swades. What I really enjoyed was the performance by the other actors ... most of them are in their first movie, but you wouldnt guess .. they are very natural.

The parts that jarred are largely related to the treatment in order to make the film more exciting ...i also think the attempts to make this look as an "against all odds" movie went a bit too far ..
like the women having to play a match against the guys in order to show that they are good enough ...

and then the sight of the player from Punjab smashing aside several Argentinain players (even throwing one of two of them over her shoulder) on the hockey pitch without the referees pulling her up .. of course, this is in response to the Argentinian players hitting out and fouling the Indian players at will ... again, without the refree saying anything .. paving the way for an SRK dialogue .. if they hit you once, you hit them twice ... if they hit you twice, you hit them four times ... itna maro ke woh tumhe marne ke baare me sooche hi nahin ... was hilarious

and, finally, the captain who is also the goalkeeper has nothing to do ... was it necessary to show that even the final penalty stroke that she saves ... the save is courtesy of SRK ... that was so typically filmy ..with SRK noticing how the Aussie striker's feet are positioned ... then in his mind pleading for her to look at him and then, you bet, she does ... and then he tells her what to do ... thus leading to the save ...
I concur with your review KIC.
Enjoyable movie.. not SRK's best (that would be Swades) and the girls did well.
Looks like the movie is growing due to word-of-mouth..and is a hit. I couldnt get tickets for 2 days in a row and even the night show here was full and the crowd clapped at the end.
Hope this gives hockey a boost.

BTW, I dont know about you all, but did you notice some of the digs at cricket and the superstar culture and the sabotaging of the coach's tactics. I thought that was a bit cheeky
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2007, 01:50:48 AM »
is it me or does shahrukh khan really overact when crying?

btw, preeti sabarwala in the movie was hot
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and i think the scene where baida naik tries to sell herself to kabir khan was very well done
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and what's with this yash raj trend of showing the muslims being condescended by the other kaum? Veer-Zaara, Kabul Express and now this

btw, i saw Blue Umbrella, nice movie but after Omkara and Makdee, much better was expected of Vishal Bharadwaj. Perhaps, it was the movie genre attempted. Worth a watch though, Pankaj Kapur bole tou jhakaas
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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2007, 04:00:59 AM »
BTW, I dont know about you all, but did you notice some of the digs at cricket and the superstar culture and the sabotaging of the coach's tactics. I thought that was a bit cheeky

:D

"peeche se mat maro .. hamare hockey me chakke nahin hote hain" - obviously the guy had a cricket bat in his hand

And, they might as well have called the guy Yuvraj Singh ... LOL Abhimanyu Singh from Chandigarh .. the brash young superstar in the Indian cricket team ... becomes vice captain .. and says "ab dekho, in seniors ko kaise theek karta hoon"

and, all that stuff borrowed from cricket ... the training, coach's methods, seniors v/s juniors ... you couldnt help but notice .. it was very much in your face.
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2007, 08:23:08 AM »
BTW, I dont know about you all, but did you notice some of the digs at cricket and the superstar culture and the sabotaging of the coach's tactics. I thought that was a bit cheeky

:D

"peeche se mat maro .. hamare hockey me chakke nahin hote hain" - obviously the guy had a cricket bat in his hand

And, they might as well have called the guy Yuvraj Singh ... LOL Abhimanyu Singh from Chandigarh .. the brash young superstar in the Indian cricket team ... becomes vice captain .. and says "ab dekho, in seniors ko kaise theek karta hoon"

and, all that stuff borrowed from cricket ... the training, coach's methods, seniors v/s juniors ... you couldnt help but notice .. it was very much in your face.
Ha ha .. here is an article from outlook...

--Greg vs Kabir--

Only One Bully Here

It's as if a chastened Chappell taught the Chak De hero how not to coach

Alam Srinivas


Coaches Kabir Khan and Greg Chappell; an Indian Muslim and a foreigner. The Indian women's hockey team and the national men's cricket team. Reel life and real life. The comparisons, at the outset, seem almost ludicrous. But hang on a bit, and you will realise that there are as many similarities between Kabir and Greg, as there are differences.

Both men planned strategies to help India win the World Cup. While Kabir did succeed in bagging the Hockey World Cup—that's in the movie Chak De India—Greg failed dismally in the West Indies. Here, we look at how and why the two men achieved such different results, how both tried similar lines of attack, but one ended up with a triumphant smile and the other left his job in absolute disgrace.

One problem that both Kabir and Greg encountered was the 'Dada' culture. Both had to grapple with the egos and stature of three senior players in their teams—Kabir with with Bindia, Aliya and Gunjan, and Greg with Sourav, Sachin and Rahul. At least one of the senior players in each case thought they knew as much as their coach, if not more.

Greg thought Sourav had an "attitude" problem and was a "bad influence" on the other team members, while Kabir told Bindia that "is team mein sirf ek goonda ho sakta hai aur woh main hoon (this team can have only one bully and that's me)". Greg kicked Sourav out of the team before the Calcuttan crashed into the World Cup squad, and Kabir didn't play Bindia properly in the World Cup matches until the semis against South Korea.

However, Kabir gained the respect of Bindia & Co because of his team's performance. Also, he showed his admiration for the former captain when he told her in the locker room before the semis that she was the only one who could crack the woman-to-woman marking that Korea excelled in. Buoyed, Bindia played like a champ and created enough scoring opportunities as the centre-half.

In comparison, Greg got caught up in politics and egos. He had to deal with pulls and pressures from all sides, including the BCCI. Moreover, the Aussie didn't realise how much Indian fans revere their cricketers—Greg and Dravid were jeered by the Calcutta crowd after Sourav's exit. The coach's finger gesture against the hostile crowd didn't help. His attack on MPs who supported Sourav's inclusion only made matters worse.

Unlike Kabir, who clearly knew his larger objective, Greg became a 'Dada' himself and was obsessed with himself. Kabir faced no external pressures, as no one was interested in women's hockey and so he could focus fully on the team, but Greg was sucked into a politico-socio-sports vortex, partly of his own making. As a result, his attention was constantly diverted from his team and its performance. Perhaps that's why Greg was never able to transform his band of cricketers into a group knit together by team spirit and national pride.

Kabir inculcated three changes in the attitude of his players that are critical in a winning combination. He made them play for national honour—notice the way he denigrates those who introduce themselves as ones from a particular state and appreciates it when one of them loudly proclaims "Vidya, India". He made them play for the team. "Pehle aap India ke liye khelte hain, phir aap team ke liye, aur agar thodi bahut jagah bach jaye to aap apne liye khelte hain." (First you play for India, then for the team, and if there's any bit left you play for yourself.) This outlook peaked in the finals, when the two forwards—Preeti and Koumal—helped each other score goals, instead of dribbling on their own to become the highest goal-scorer. Kabir also forced his team to concentrate on physical fitness.

Greg too had a similar 'winning' blueprint, only that he failed dismally.By changing his combination too often, and getting Sourav out, he increased fears and apprehensions among the players. Rather than playing for the team or the country, the cricketers only performed for themselves, not sure when they would be asked to go. Backed by their fans and administrators, many of them refused to listen to their coach. Finally, Greg had to literally chak de Team India, and head back to Australia, a bitter and defeated man.
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..and as I said, looks like the movie is growing due to word-of-mouth..
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It has only hockey, not cricket. Yet, this SRK-starrer has hit it big. ...

Namrata Joshi

Going to see Chak De India could have been rather like attending a bland, earnest lecture on issues like religion, regionalism, gender bias, patriotism. But this film about a disgraced hockey player who coaches a ragtag team of girls from all corners of India to win the World Cup has turned out to be an irresistibly appetising dish. It's a simple, unpretentious and endearing film about a now unfashionable game, and the underdogs who play it—be they Muslims, tribals, small-town girls or hailing from obscure corners of the country's Northeast.

At the box office too, the film began as an underdog, opening with an unusually bad Friday.
      
Chak de shows how the most well-worn stereotypes and the most predictable of plots can be reinvented to enchanting freshness.   
         

But word-of-mouth rave reviews soon had the crowds pouring in. By Independence Day, the magic had worked. Ironically, it is in Shahrukh Khan's stronghold, the overseas market, that Chak De has been a slow starter—despite opening big (No. 11 in the UK and No. 20 in the US), box-office takings still haven't matched previous SRK films.

But then Chak De is not a normal SRK film. It has no heroine or villain, no romance and song 'n dance. It's been made on a shoestring budget of about Rs 15 crore. But already, its estimated net earnings are pitched at a neat Rs 35 crore, with approximately Rs 12 crore coming in the first week itself (according to Film Information).


Critically, the film has scored a clear goal. It's certainly SRK's most well-appreciated film and performance in recent times, other than Ashutosh Gowariker's Swades. In fact, Chak De is well on the way to becoming the most loved Hindi film in recent times. The enthusiastic audience reactions in movie halls indicates that it has built up a surge of the kind matched only by Rang De Basanti and Lage Raho Munnabhai last year. Even a hardened Yash Raj critic like Anurag Kashyap, the director of Black Friday, says it's the best Yash Raj production since the 1995-released Dilwale Dulhania Le Jaayenge; what's more, "it has set standards one would like to follow".

Chak De is not without flaws—its characters include a hammy mother and a hammier commentator. But it triumphantly demonstrates how the most predictable of plots and the most well-worn stereotypes can be reinvented to enchanting freshness. "It displays a most skilful use of cliches," says sociologist Shiv Visvanathan.

Comparisons with other sports films—Escape to Victory, Bend It Like Beckham, Hip Hip Hurray, Lagaan—are inevitable. They have all had similar arcs—from defeat to victory, from disgrace to redemption, against tremendous odds. But look closer, and Chak De is significantly different in two crucial aspects—it pitches most convincingly for hockey, and it seamlessly weaves together the twin issues of sports and women's empowerment.

It would be foolhardy to think the film will revive interest in hockey. But it does effectively break the stranglehold of cricket on our collective imagination, even if for just those three hours. It takes clever potshots at cricket —in one scene SRK acerbically observes: "Hamari hockey mein cricket ki tarah chhakke nahin hote".

The other masterstroke is the way it projects women's empowerment through sports. Writer Jaideep Sahni, who previously brought small-town North India into sharp focus with Bunty Aur Babli, unleashes 16 new Bablis in Chak de—all with the guts and gumption to make it big, but hampered by problems ranging from demanding families to badly behaved cricketer-boyfriend.

All the girls fit their roles to a T, thanks to casting director Abhimanyu Ray. Some of the most minor women characters especially stand out, like assistant coach Krishnaji or the team bully Bindia Naik."We chose from 1,000-odd girls and went for unknown faces so as to not draw attention to individuals but to show them as a team," says Abhimanyu.

The gender issue is seminal here but not shrill, it's a battle which stops short of being confrontational. It's a fight not for equality but harmony. The most wonderful moment of the film is when the Indian men's team lifts their sticks as a mark of appreciation for the game and the women lift theirs back—hesitantly, tentatively. It's a moment of camaraderie, a building of bridges across the gender divide. It's heartening that this tiny moment of gender accord has been realised by a few good men—producer Aditya Chopra, director Shimit Amin, writer Sahni and, of course, actor SRK.

Last but not the least, Chak De is significant as a film in which, like Swades, SRK gets a rare chance to play a character rather than be a star. It's also just the second film (the first being Kamalahaasan's Hey Ram) where he plays a Muslim, not another Rahul or Raj. And most importantly, it's perhaps the only film where SRK plays himself—a cosmopolitan, liberal, Indian Muslim.
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2007, 08:36:24 AM »
I think comparisons with RDB, Lagey Raho, Lagaan are way off.

Chak De is a good film, but no masterpiece nor has it come close to deriving the kind of reactions that these did.

It is closer to a Bend it like Beckham, I guess.
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