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And Cricinfo waxes eloquent .....
« on: July 30, 2007, 06:11:13 AM »
Doubling up differently

Siddhartha Vaidyanathan at Trent Bridge

July 29, 2007

You have to envy VVS Laxman. Not for his sinuous wrists, not for his graceful movements, not for his languid batting style but simply for having the pleasure of standing at second slip when India's pace bowlers are in operation. Standing between Sachin Tendulkar, at first slip, and Sourav Ganguly, at third, he is often the silent participant in some intense discussions, ones where the two on either side chirp away merrily.

While they're batting together, though, there's no third party. Yet they rarely relent. During their 96-run stand this morning, the early parts of which were spent negotiating the second new ball, mid-pitch conferences raged along. Whether it was advice, tactics, or plans for the evening is anyone's guess but they often resembled doubles partners on a tennis court. They've played together for about ten years, they've opened the batting for long in the one-day format, and they've played under each other's captaincy. You'd think they would have exhausted all they had to say; it appears they've just got started.

India's biggest challenge today, with the sun out and the pitch playing true, was to negate the effects of the second new ball. Ganguly, usually circumspect in these conditions, flowed; Tendulkar, who you'd expect to be more solid, dug a small hole for himself. Almost every time Ryan Sidebottom beat Tendulkar's bat, or appealed for a leg-before, Ganguly had a word with his partner.

At the other end, Ganguly eagerly took on Chris Tremlett and James Anderson, cover-driving as if all was well. Ganguly's statements about the ball doing "a bit in the morning" and Sidebottom bowling "well to Sachin" must go down as big under-statements. It was doing much more than a bit, and he did much better than well. "To get through the second new ball in the morning was important," he said. "And we knew if we could get runs on the board, we'd be in a good position to win the match."

Both handled Monty Panesar expertly, using their bats more often than their pads. Tendulkar stepped out on a few occasions, crunching an aggressive cover-drive over the infield, while Ganguly took a few big strides forward and caressed him all along the ground. What was the plan then, did they have any specific targets? "There were no targets," dead-batted Ganguly. "Just bat. It was just the third morning of a match and there was a lot of time left. We thought we'll just bat and whatever comes, comes." More like, just chat.


 
...while Sachin Tendulkar stepped out on a few occasions© Getty Images
 
 

It's tough to spot similarities in their batting, or indeed their personalities. One is quiet, the other tends to be brash; one is a great batsman who struggled to lead, the other a great captain who sometimes struggled with the bat. Both had their innings sawed off with dubious umpiring decisions - one stood transfixed before trudging off, the other rushed off spewing venom, flaying his bat angrily. Tendulkar was spotted cooling off with an ice-cream; Ganguly was "alright". "Some go your way, some go against", said Ganguly who started the press conference with "I don't want to speak about the decision" and ended it with "You have to live with it". Simon Taufel, it seems, can breathe easy.

Does he think India can pull off their first Test win at Trent Bridge? "I think 480 is still a big total. We were 280-290 ahead, and the wicket is going to deteriorate. On the third day of a Test anywhere in the world, the wicket is going to be good. It's the fourth and fifth day it's going to deteriorate."

But, crucially, what does he have to say about Tendulkar's knock? "There's nothing you can talk about Sachin, he produces it every time and hope he keeps doing the same." If he does, and if Ganguly too keeps joining him, it's time those stump mikes were shifted to the middle of the pitch.

Siddhartha Vaidyanathan is assistant editor of Cricinfo

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Re: And Cricinfo waxes eloquent .....
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 03:51:33 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 06:06:37 AM »
i agree ... gangulys inns was of a much higher quality than tendulkars
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 06:16:04 AM »
i agree ... gangulys inns was of a much higher quality than tendulkars

Have you been to both ??
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 06:16:50 AM »
I wish we could publish that photo of Ganguly's square drive here..............they have disabled copying! ???
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 06:18:34 AM »
:)
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 06:21:47 AM »
:)

God......pray, who was that smirk intended to? :evil4:
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 06:22:12 AM »
I wish we could publish that photo of Ganguly's square drive here..............they have disabled copying! ???
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 06:22:55 AM »
I wish we could publish that photo of Ganguly's square drive here..............they have disabled copying! ???
Indian newspapers coming of age...


Thatastu!

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2007, 06:23:16 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2007, 06:23:47 AM »
I wish we could publish that photo of Ganguly's square drive here..............they have disabled copying! ???
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Thatastu!




Thanx! :D
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2007, 06:24:47 AM »



This is Tendla's square cut right?
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 06:25:05 AM »








This is TEAM INDIA
« Last Edit: July 31, 2007, 06:29:50 AM by ravi1010 »
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2007, 06:27:10 AM »



This is Tendla's square cut right?


yes. In all its glory.

PS: I know where we can get the videos of all the interesting bits of play from this test. But it is blazed with the logo of a certain other forum :) any takers
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2007, 06:30:57 AM »
smirk ? that was a smile was it not ?
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2007, 06:32:45 AM »
Yes, this is like the old times! ::cheers::
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2007, 06:34:09 AM »



This is Tendla's square cut right?


yes. In all its glory.

PS: I know where we can get the videos of all the interesting bits of play from this test. But it is blazed with the logo of a certain other forum :) any takers
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Thanks!...I am sure, many others know too. :D
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2007, 06:43:45 AM »
Yes, this is like the old times! ::cheers::

And the Huddle immediately after asking for the New Ball...that was impressive  :icon_thumleft:
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2007, 01:20:23 PM »
Yes, this is like the old times! ::cheers::

And the Huddle immediately after asking for the New Ball...that was impressive  :icon_thumleft:

So who gets credit for starting the huddle ?
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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2007, 01:33:24 PM »
Yes, this is like the old times! ::cheers::

And the Huddle immediately after asking for the New Ball...that was impressive  :icon_thumleft:

So who gets credit for starting the huddle ?

Now or in the 1st place ?!?

Now - I don't know

Originally - Sandy Gordon
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2007, 02:35:51 PM »
Yes, this is like the old times! ::cheers::

And the Huddle immediately after asking for the New Ball...that was impressive  :icon_thumleft:

So who gets credit for starting the huddle ?

Now or in the 1st place ?!?

Now - I don't know

Originally - Sandy Gordon

Now.

I know RD is a poor captain, but even when he gets some things right , people still criticize him.

Somebody mentioned that Sreesanth's poor behaviour was because of RD  ::)
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2007, 02:52:33 PM »
I know RD is a poor captain, but even when he gets some things right , people still criticize him.

Like?

Somebody mentioned that Sreesanth's poor behaviour was because of RD  ::)

Strange!

However, SS needed to be harnessed, and RD failed in doing that. This behavior took place over two days, so he had ample time to go back after 4th day's play and speak to him in a stern but encouraging way, in order to motivate him.
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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2007, 06:09:50 PM »
Damned if you and damned if you don't.

PS: Applies to cricinfo and RD
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2007, 08:01:22 PM »
Damned if you and damned if you don't.

PS: Applies to cricinfo and RD

But isn't that the essence of armchair critiquing ? Happens in all sports at all times -
none of it ever taken seriously.
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2007, 08:29:49 PM »
Damned if you and damned if you don't.

PS: Applies to cricinfo and RD

But isn't that the essence of armchair critiquing ? Happens in all sports at all times -
none of it ever taken seriously.
I guess thats what I have to do. Take some people not too seriously.
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2007, 09:49:38 PM »
According to Vishy, who is writing for ABP, it was probably SG's best innings of his career.
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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2007, 09:53:03 PM »
considering we didnt have world's best coach to coach us , a bunch of oldies and to top that cancers and also some youngsters without the guidance ...this victory is that much more special,but as someone said before...we want 2-0 , we want series win to say this team has met our expectation
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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2007, 10:42:09 PM »
The below piece is a translation from a newspaper called 'Aajkaal' read by the parochial Bengalies (at the end of third day's play):

Ian Botham thinks nobody has played Monty better than how SG did in the first innings. Sir Geoffrey's counter question was 'Did he mean to say that Sourav didn't play the England pacers well? Actually he played a flawless innings. Why not accept it?' Boycs then added 'If I happen to meet him, I'll ask him keep playing on the front foot. Better not to play the hook or pull shot. He should leave the ball, duck under it if necessary. Remember it's a test match.'

Gower and Bumbles feel Kumble is going to be the key. After congratulating him, Bumbles asked SG how he would have handled Kumble on this wicket. SG replied that he'd have stepped out of the crease and played a few lofted shots. Ian Chappell thinks that the way SG dances down the track and lofts a spinner's delivery out of the park, nobody else from this generation can match that. Enginner feels this kind of advice only going to benefit India because nobody can do it like SG and if they attempt it, MSD will stump them.

SMG to SG 'very very well played. The way you have been playing since your comeback, keep going. You didn't bat so well in the last 10 years. You can easily play for another 2-3 years, don't bother about anything else.' SG agrees, 'I also think so. Now I can utilizie the experience of the last 10 years'. Artherton wanted to ask SG about his reaction after the dismissal. SG's reply was 'I had reached close to a century after a long time. I am sure you'll understand the importance of a century, and the pain of missing it..'

The 'Aajkaal' reporter then wanted to know whether did he intentionally avoid playing shots in the backward point region as per Shane Warne's advice (I was not aware of this)? While having dinner at a Chinese restaurant with wife and daughter, SG replied 'I was trying to play straight, within the 'V'. Actually didn't want to take any risk in this innings. Or else Boycott would have killed me.'

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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2007, 10:55:44 PM »
Jai,
Botham had said in a recent daily (Bengali perhaps) that SG gets all his runs in the backward point region.
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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2007, 11:32:46 PM »
considering we didnt have world's best coach to coach us , a bunch of oldies and to top that cancers and also some youngsters without the guidance ...this victory is that much more special,but as someone said before...we want 2-0 , we want series win to say this team has met our expectation

Although in all fairness this wasnt a full strength England team.
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2007, 12:00:10 AM »
considering we didnt have world's best coach to coach us , a bunch of oldies and to top that cancers and also some youngsters without the guidance ...this victory is that much more special,but as someone said before...we want 2-0 , we want series win to say this team has met our expectation

Although in all fairness this wasnt a full strength England team.

On peper, yes. They were missing some of their bowlers and the main man Flintoff. But I'd say man to man, both teams are equal or England is slightly better in bowling considering we have two rookie bowlers  while their rookie bowler Tremmlot has bowled brilliantly so far. AK may be a veteran, but Monty has been bowling really well for the past season or so. May be MSD is better than Prior. If you look at the opening, Strauss-Cook is certainly better than WJ-Dk pair, at least on paper. In the middle order, we have a few ageing Maharathis. Their middle order comprising Vaughan, Piterson and Colly are certainly on par with us, probably even better on recent form (if we consider the last season). Only Bell may be struggling in this series. So although they are missing some of their bowlers, I think they are still a good side, at least compared to this Indian side and on current form.

And yeah, don't discount the weather factor. Almost half of our players have never experienced such swinging conditions whereas the English players are used to it. It should be considered as their strength, don't you think? I can add more, we don't even have a coach. Our bowling coach is Venky Prasad and they have got 'The White Lightning'.  ;D
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2007, 12:04:08 AM »
Jai,
Botham had said in a recent daily (Bengali perhaps) that SG gets all his runs in the backward point region.
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Shane Warne had also said that in the Brit press and also mentioned that SG needed to be lucky to score runs. btw, did any of you watch the post-match SRT interview? he was effusive in his priaise of SG and also added that "SG fully deserves to be in the team - i am sure there are many opinions but that's what they are - opinions".

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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2007, 12:13:42 AM »
considering we didnt have world's best coach to coach us , a bunch of oldies and to top that cancers and also some youngsters without the guidance ...this victory is that much more special,but as someone said before...we want 2-0 , we want series win to say this team has met our expectation

Although in all fairness this wasnt a full strength England team.

Given that the series draw with England E in India was held as some sort of gold standard we should aspire for and thank Chappel for, this is a far better perfomance--the only two people missing really are Hoggard and Flintoff
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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2007, 12:35:59 AM »
Jai,
Botham had said in a recent daily (Bengali perhaps) that SG gets all his runs in the backward point region.
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So did Warney advise SG not to play his shots in that region? I am aware of what MT has mentioned (that luck bit), but I haven't read anything about Warne-->>Backward Point-->>SG.
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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2007, 01:28:24 AM »
http://content-eap.cricinfo.com/talk/content/current/multimedia/304641.html

wish i could have taken on Andrew Miller instead of Sid V! Sid V is too mild.
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