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[Blwe_torch]

'Ganguly has given a steely resilience to India' - Arthur
Cricinfo staff
June 29, 2007


"It still mystifies me how he [Ganguly] wasn't in the squad in South Africa," says Mickey Arthur © Getty Images
 
Mickey Arthur, the South Africa coach, has said that Sourav Ganguly's presence in the Indian team has lent more stability to the batting line-up. Speaking ahead of the second one-day international between India and South Africa at Belfast, Arthur said that he couldn't comprehend why Ganguly wasn't included in the one-day squad which toured South Africa late last year.

"I personally think Sourav Ganguly in the squad gives a huge amount back to India," Arthur told AFP. "Sourav still has a presence, I think he's a quality player and it still mystifies me how he wasn't in the squad in South Africa. I think he seems to have given a steely resilience back to India."

Ganguly lost the captaincy and was dropped from the Indian Test and one-day squads after repeated fall-outs with Greg Chappell, the former India coach. After a long layoff, he made a comeback for the South Africa tour, though only for the Test series, which followed the one-dayers in which India were trounced 0-4. He returned in style with a century in a tour match at Potchefstroom and followed it up with a half-century in the first Test at Johannesburg.

In 14 ODIs since his return, Ganguly's average stands at a healthy 65, with eight half-centuries. He started with a 98 in the four-match home series against Sri Lanka before the World Cup, bagging the Man-of-the-Series award as well. He also scored two half-centuries in India's disappointing World Cup campaign.

Rahul Dravid, the Indian captain, too agreed with Arthur's views on Ganguly and added that he was being treated like all members of the side. Ganguly failed in the first one-dayer on Tuesday, scoring 13, and Dravid banked on him to come good in the next two games.

"Sourav does bring a lot of experience and knowledge," said Dravid. "But at the end of the day you've got to get runs and take wickets. Each and every member of our team is equally valuable. He's played a lot in these conditions and on these type of wickets, so hopefully he'll fire in the next couple of games."

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[colonel]

Ganguly fan club:

http://www.dadagiri.in/

[arjun]

Mickey Arthur evidently is not a cancer specialist!

[Jai]

Mickey Arthur evidently is not a cancer specialist!

But then to be fair, cancer is a serious illness and you can't expect everyone to be a specialist on that subject. It's an altogether different thing that while putting too much emphasis on a single cancer patient, you neglect the other healthy guys and thus they develop more serious health issues. As a result, the entire team looks like a hospital. And if that's not enough, the cancer patient mireculously recovers from the disease proving the doctor's diagnosis wrong. The doctor claims that the recovery happened only because of his treatment. Too bad the doctor started to lose his skills from then onwards (probably had an adverse effect of the miracle) and ultimately had to resign.

[sgusa]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mommy mommy, the teacher said I was stupid...
No my dear, you are the smartest kid in the world.

Right!

[colonel]

Why give it up? Just as you valued a gora's words when it fitted with your agenda, so are we. Or if you valued a gora's words not because it fitted with your agenda but because it was the truth, do allow us the same motive. I'm sorry the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed you. They were intended as an antidote to the puerile fumes of hypocracy (did I spell that right?  ) but you are a friend and you've gone to Illinois. I have to empathize. 

[colonel]

kuchh bol na, let's get each other banned.

[sgusa]

Why give it up? Just as you valued a gora's words when it fitted with your agenda, so are we. Or if you valued a gora's words not because it fitted with your agenda but because it was the truth, do allow us the same motive. I'm sorry the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed you. They were intended as an antidote to the puerile fumes of hypocracy (did I spell that right?  ) but you are a friend and you've gone to Illinois. I have to empathize. 

Ah, see this is much better. Acceptance.

You see, the only reason I acceped Guru Greg's Gracious Guidelines for the Good of the Game was because of my (as dex realised) pathalogical hate for that man Ganguly. I realised that by accepting the Path and the Process, it is Possible to Punish that Player for such Penurious Play. Pardon me for Participating in that Particular Peculiarity.

(ok, ran out of words there at the end ... )

[sgusa]

kuchh bol na, let's get each other banned.

I prefer staying on and flogging flagging the troll of the forum.

[feverpitch]

kuchh bol na, let's get each other banned.

I prefer staying on and flogging flagging the troll of the forum.

Troll Alert!

[colonel]

Why give it up? Just as you valued a gora's words when it fitted with your agenda, so are we. Or if you valued a gora's words not because it fitted with your agenda but because it was the truth, do allow us the same motive. I'm sorry the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed you. They were intended as an antidote to the puerile fumes of hypocracy (did I spell that right?  ) but you are a friend and you've gone to Illinois. I have to empathize. 

Ah, see this is much better. Acceptance.

You see, the only reason I acceped Guru Greg's Gracious Guidelines for the Good of the Game was because of my (as dex realised) pathalogical hate for that man Ganguly. I realised that by accepting the Path and the Process, it is Possible to Punish that Player for such Penurious Play. Pardon me for Participating in that Particular Peculiarity.

(ok, ran out of words there at the end ... )

Nice alliteration. To continue the thought...Perhaps you were too Punctilious in following your Perverse desire to see that Particular Player Penalized for what you Perceive to be Penurious Play. However that is Pardonable since it makes for Pleasant debate.

However, we admit to nothing beyond the "Possibility" of a similar motive on our part. It may, as Plausibly, be that Mickey Arthur's Pearls of wisdom converted us into believing Ganguly is invaluable to the team. Predicated on the Past, it isn't likely, but we cannot be legally convicted as long as there is a margin of reasonable doubt.  

[colonel]

How does one make troll alert one's signature line?

[sgusa]

Why give it up? Just as you valued a gora's words when it fitted with your agenda, so are we. Or if you valued a gora's words not because it fitted with your agenda but because it was the truth, do allow us the same motive. I'm sorry the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed you. They were intended as an antidote to the puerile fumes of hypocracy (did I spell that right?  ) but you are a friend and you've gone to Illinois. I have to empathize. 

Ah, see this is much better. Acceptance.

You see, the only reason I acceped Guru Greg's Gracious Guidelines for the Good of the Game was because of my (as dex realised) pathalogical hate for that man Ganguly. I realised that by accepting the Path and the Process, it is Possible to Punish that Player for such Penurious Play. Pardon me for Participating in that Particular Peculiarity.

(ok, ran out of words there at the end ... )

Nice alliteration. To continue the thought...Perhaps you were too Punctilious in following your Perverse desire to see that Particular Player Penalized for what you Perceive to be Penurious Play. However that is Pardonable since it makes for Pleasant debate.

However, we admit to nothing beyond the "Possibility" of a similar motive on our part. It may, as Plausibly, be that Mickey Arthur's Pearls of wisdom converted us into believing Ganguly is invaluable to the team. Predicated on the Past, it isn't likely, but we cannot be legally convicted as long as there is a margin of reasonable doubt.  

 

[Libran]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

[sgusa]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

[feverpitch]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

You mean lose the 2nd odi after winning the first... with a century opening stand that took the game away from their hands... Didn't know MA belongs to the GC school of coaching... motivate the opposition by loose talk!

[sgusa]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

You mean lose the 2nd odi after winning the first... with a century opening stand that took the game away from their hands... Didn't know MA belongs to the GC school of coaching... motivate the opposition by loose talk!

Well, add this to the huge list of things you dont know. Century opening stand indeed. The way SRT was batting he would have made a century opening stand even if a monkey was batting on the other end.

[pipsqueak]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

You mean lose the 2nd odi after winning the first... with a century opening stand that took the game away from their hands... Didn't know MA belongs to the GC school of coaching... motivate the opposition by loose talk!

Well, add this to the huge list of things you dont know. Century opening stand indeed. The way SRT was batting he would have made a century opening stand even if a monkey was batting on the other end.

err..how can SRT ensure that the monkey will not get out?  smthing amiss in the logic!

[fineleg]

Well, add this to the huge list of things you dont know. Century opening stand indeed. The way SRT was batting he would have made a century opening stand even if a monkey was batting on the other end.

even if? 

[sgusa]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

You mean lose the 2nd odi after winning the first... with a century opening stand that took the game away from their hands... Didn't know MA belongs to the GC school of coaching... motivate the opposition by loose talk!

Well, add this to the huge list of things you dont know. Century opening stand indeed. The way SRT was batting he would have made a century opening stand even if a monkey was batting on the other end.

err..how can SRT ensure that the monkey will not get out?  smthing amiss in the logic!

I really want to reply to this, but the gestapo would be all over me. (stay clear of this RJO )

[pipsqueak]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

You mean lose the 2nd odi after winning the first... with a century opening stand that took the game away from their hands... Didn't know MA belongs to the GC school of coaching... motivate the opposition by loose talk!

Well, add this to the huge list of things you dont know. Century opening stand indeed. The way SRT was batting he would have made a century opening stand even if a monkey was batting on the other end.

err..how can SRT ensure that the monkey will not get out?  smthing amiss in the logic!

I really want to reply to this, but the gestapo would be all over me. (stay clear of this RJO )

nah, go ahead and explain how SRT in his scintillating form would ensure that the other person will not get out. i will protect you from the gestapos, fear not.

[fineleg]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

You mean lose the 2nd odi after winning the first... with a century opening stand that took the game away from their hands... Didn't know MA belongs to the GC school of coaching... motivate the opposition by loose talk!

Well, add this to the huge list of things you dont know. Century opening stand indeed. The way SRT was batting he would have made a century opening stand even if a monkey was batting on the other end.

err..how can SRT ensure that the monkey will not get out?  smthing amiss in the logic!

I really want to reply to this, but the gestapo would be all over me. (stay clear of this RJO )

Why would the gestapo be out for this?

[Libran]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

And I guess u are conveniently missing the 3rd ODI ...or maybe working on the excuse of why a 31 over match is not in your realm of worthwhile discussions 

[sgusa]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

And I guess u are conveniently missing the 3rd ODI ...or maybe working on the excuse of why a 31 over match is not in your realm of worthwhile discussions 

Wipe your face, the sarcasm is drooling out.

I was up until 6am PST, the dang game hadnt  started, I went to sleep.

And MA nearly got away with his plan. Stupid SR, almost ran GG out! 

[inoc]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

And I guess u are conveniently missing the 3rd ODI ...or maybe working on the excuse of why a 31 over match is not in your realm of worthwhile discussions 

Wipe your face, the sarcasm is drooling out.

I was up until 6am PST, the dang game hadnt  started, I went to sleep.

And MA nearly got away with his plan. Stupid SR, almost ran GG out! 

is this what we have descended to.

almost got somebody run out!!!!!!! what happened to SRs/averages/old age etc etc.

guess you hadnt woken up.

and now that you are awake? ........what is the argument of the day?

[sgusa]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

And I guess u are conveniently missing the 3rd ODI ...or maybe working on the excuse of why a 31 over match is not in your realm of worthwhile discussions 

Wipe your face, the sarcasm is drooling out.

I was up until 6am PST, the dang game hadnt  started, I went to sleep.

And MA nearly got away with his plan. Stupid SR, almost ran GG out! 

is this what we have descended to.

almost got somebody run out!!!!!!! what happened to SRs/averages/old age etc etc.

guess you hadnt woken up.

and now that you are awake? ........what is the argument of the day?

Argument of the day: Are Inoc and Ravi out to bug me? and if so, how much time are they willing to allocate for that ? What will happen if I put them on ignore and they keep raving ? Will fever set on this pitch and disrupt the game ?

[inoc]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

And I guess u are conveniently missing the 3rd ODI ...or maybe working on the excuse of why a 31 over match is not in your realm of worthwhile discussions 

Wipe your face, the sarcasm is drooling out.

I was up until 6am PST, the dang game hadnt  started, I went to sleep.

And MA nearly got away with his plan. Stupid SR, almost ran GG out! 

is this what we have descended to.

almost got somebody run out!!!!!!! what happened to SRs/averages/old age etc etc.

guess you hadnt woken up.

and now that you are awake? ........what is the argument of the day?

Argument of the day: Are Inoc and Ravi out to bug me? and if so, how much time are they willing to allocate for that ? What will happen if I put them on ignore and they keep raving ? Will fever set on this pitch and disrupt the game ?

these qualify as questions of the day.
are you still not awake?

[Libran]

I came to his thread, and the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed me. Oh, protectors of Ganguly's honor, give it up already. Now a gora's words are of value ? why ? Who the f c uk is Mickey Arthur ? His he a better evalator of all things cricket these days ?

Mickey Arthur is the Coach of the World's # 2 ODI team....

And he is talking good about an Int'l player ...currently playing against them....

And the difference is....

1) there is no attempt at mental disintegration games and
2) Not bad mouthing the opposition...(to recall...no statements like " they have forgotten to win")

Arent you the naive one.

Arthur is talking up Ganguly in the hope that we continue to play him and so give SA the advantage! 

And I guess u are conveniently missing the 3rd ODI ...or maybe working on the excuse of why a 31 over match is not in your realm of worthwhile discussions 

Wipe your face, the sarcasm is drooling out.

I was up until 6am PST, the dang game hadnt  started, I went to sleep.

And MA nearly got away with his plan. Stupid SR, almost ran GG out! 

Sarcasm or not...the fact is you are fast running out of excuses......and your desperation is evident ...don't even try hiding it 

[achutank]

Why give it up? Just as you valued a gora's words when it fitted with your agenda, so are we. Or if you valued a gora's words not because it fitted with your agenda but because it was the truth, do allow us the same motive. I'm sorry the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed you. They were intended as an antidote to the puerile fumes of hypocracy (did I spell that right?  ) but you are a friend and you've gone to Illinois. I have to empathize. 

Ah, see this is much better. Acceptance.

You see, the only reason I acceped Guru Greg's Gracious Guidelines for the Good of the Game was because of my (as dex realised) pathalogical hate for that man Ganguly. I realised that by accepting the Path and the Process, it is Possible to Punish that Player for such Penurious Play. Pardon me for Participating in that Particular Peculiarity.

(ok, ran out of words there at the end ... )

Nice alliteration. To continue the thought...Perhaps you were too Punctilious in following your Perverse desire to see that Particular Player Penalized for what you Perceive to be Penurious Play. However that is Pardonable since it makes for Pleasant debate.

However, we admit to nothing beyond the "Possibility" of a similar motive on our part. It may, as Plausibly, be that Mickey Arthur's Pearls of wisdom converted us into believing Ganguly is invaluable to the team. Predicated on the Past, it isn't likely, but we cannot be legally convicted as long as there is a margin of reasonable doubt.  

in other words 

piss off you particularly partisan philistine 

(please don't pan me for this)

[colonel]

Why give it up? Just as you valued a gora's words when it fitted with your agenda, so are we. Or if you valued a gora's words not because it fitted with your agenda but because it was the truth, do allow us the same motive. I'm sorry the noxious fumes of sarcasm overwhelmed you. They were intended as an antidote to the puerile fumes of hypocracy (did I spell that right?  ) but you are a friend and you've gone to Illinois. I have to empathize. 

Ah, see this is much better. Acceptance.

You see, the only reason I acceped Guru Greg's Gracious Guidelines for the Good of the Game was because of my (as dex realised) pathalogical hate for that man Ganguly. I realised that by accepting the Path and the Process, it is Possible to Punish that Player for such Penurious Play. Pardon me for Participating in that Particular Peculiarity.

(ok, ran out of words there at the end ... )

Nice alliteration. To continue the thought...Perhaps you were too Punctilious in following your Perverse desire to see that Particular Player Penalized for what you Perceive to be Penurious Play. However that is Pardonable since it makes for Pleasant debate.

However, we admit to nothing beyond the "Possibility" of a similar motive on our part. It may, as Plausibly, be that Mickey Arthur's Pearls of wisdom converted us into believing Ganguly is invaluable to the team. Predicated on the Past, it isn't likely, but we cannot be legally convicted as long as there is a margin of reasonable doubt.  

in other words 

piss off you particularly partisan philistine 

(please don't pan me for this)