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“The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« on: June 16, 2007, 12:08:44 PM »

http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/europeview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9332316


Past and present
Jun 14th 2007
From Economist.com

A film illuminates communism’s horrors and aftermath


IF YOU ever lived in the grim communist prison camp that called itself the German Democratic Republic, or have friends or family who did, it is easy to flinch at “The Lives of Others”, a film that portrays the vile bullies and murderers of the Stasi secret police in a stylised and melodramatic way.

The plot verges on the preposterous. A brutal Stasi officer is so moved by his victims’ loving tenderness and cultivated habits that he switches sides. That is about as plausible (and tasteful) as a film about Auschwitz in which a camp guard falls in love with an inmate: theoretically possible, but a jarring note of sentimentality in a story that should break hearts, not warm them.


But leave that and other flourishes of artistic licence (or carelessness) on one side. Films are not made to suit the sensibilities only of those soured or sensitised by first-hand experience. “The Lives of Others” does not claim to be a documentary, but a work of fiction. If the price of spreading the truth is to paint in bright colours with bold outlines, that is probably worth paying. Those whose curiosity is stimulated will find plenty of factual material elsewhere.

Overall, the film is a magnificent reminder to those, particularly in the West, who doubt the real horror of the communist secret-police state. Most people under 40 remember no Soviet leader before Mikhail Gorbachev; the gulag is something in history books. For these, and the warm-hearted and soft-headed people of all ages who think that communism probably wasn’t all that bad, the film may be the first time they have experienced even a frisson of what it was really like. (When your columnist saw the film, it was preceded by an advertisement for Stolichnaya vodka. Among the totalitarian kitsch it featured was an image of the mass murderer Lenin, whom the ad described as a “visionary”.)

For a start, the film shows the people who ran communist countries in their true colours. Far from building socialism with the bricks of altruism and the mortar of discipline, they were disgusting hypocrites: greedy, brutal and lecherous. A poisonous mixture of deceit and fear fuelled the system. Even for the brave, it was dreadfully difficult to stay clean. The film shows all that well.

BUENA VISTAReflecting on the past
The biggest lesson, though, is not about the beastliness of the past, but Germany’s success in dealing with it. The film ends with the Stasi broken and contemptible; its files are open, its officers nowhere near public life. For all the other failures in eastern Germany, this at least has been a triumph. Compare that with its counterparts elsewhere. Unreformed intelligence services still rule the roost in Bulgaria and Romania; scandals surround their doings in the Czech Republic, Latvia and Lithuania. In Russia, they run the country.

In its approach to communist-era spies and their bosses, most of eastern Europe resembles Germany in the 1950s and early 1960s. Economic growth is terrific. Never mind about the morality and background of those running the country. Denazification is over and done with.

Such complacency about the past lasts only until young people start asking questions. Just as the youth movements of 1968 challenged both the authoritarian bureaucratic ways of governments in Germany and France and the festering shame of wartime collaboration, a new generation of east European youngsters may finish the job that their parents botched in 1989. “What exactly did Dad do under communism?” is a highly subversive question. It needs to be asked, widely and often. If “The Lives of Others” doesn’t spark that discussion in former communist countries, sooner or later something else will.

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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2007, 12:48:52 PM »
Dear Grim Reaper,

This film is verry old news. An OK film all standards, no more, fitting the requirements for the 'foreign' Oscar to the hilt.

But I'm glad you found it. Did you watch it?

BTW, do also watch The Spanish Earth & 17th Parallel by Joris Ivens for a newsreel-, State of Siege & Missing by Constantin Costa-Gavras etc. for a fictional- account of atrocities by capitalists. I have left out Queimada [Pontecorvo], Constant Gardener [Mirrelles] and countless others because I believe you've seen them already [though never posted on them on this DG for obvious reasons]. And lastly, on the topic of East European secret police, do watch the film The Confession, again by Costa-Gavras. It doesnot have a 'preposterous plot', and is generally agreed by a wide range of people as not taking many 'artistic licenses', as the above film is said to have taken even by the reviewer of your choice!
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2007, 05:20:00 PM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.

why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2007, 05:36:17 PM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.

why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.

despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2007, 09:59:05 PM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.

why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.

despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.



so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 11:55:35 PM »
Dayal Baba,
Good balanced post.
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 03:35:38 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.

why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.

despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.



so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:

You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 03:39:30 AM »
Dayal Baba,
Good balanced post.

DB, you're in august company!
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 05:36:58 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.

why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.

despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.



so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:

You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?


i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do. i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal. i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 05:51:02 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 05:59:21 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 06:13:32 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?

Wrong question. The question of a centrist appears in relationship to the presence of a rightist and a leftist...
 ;D
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 06:23:04 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?

Wrong question. The question of a centrist appears in relationship to the presence of a rightist and a leftist...
 ;D


FP kya bol raha hai....

Centerist is still the middle guy
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 06:23:54 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

because you were trying to project me as a capitalist

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i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

when evidence is presented you come up with an incoherent response.

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i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?
Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

when evidence is presented it becomes an alibi. your complete lack of evidence is however noted.

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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2007, 06:25:54 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?

ask feverpitch that. i have already said i do not (exclusively) subscribe to either.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 06:30:39 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?

ask feverpitch that. i have already said i do not (exclusively) subscribe to either.

Makes you what: an opportunist? :icon_scratch:
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 06:33:45 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?

Wrong question. The question of a centrist appears in relationship to the presence of a rightist and a leftist...
 ;D


FP kya bol raha hai....

Centerist is still the middle guy

nahin. kyonki capitalist/communist are strictly economic categorise, while left, right and centre are broader political ones. thus u can have a centrist like Indira *hi... who was also capitalist in her economic policies.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 06:39:28 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.
My point exactly. So why ask?
because you were trying to project me as a capitalist

Where?

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i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.
Mao was a nationalist too.
when evidence is presented you come up with an incoherent response.

'Incoherent' replies posted as 'evidence' deserve 'incoherent' retorts.

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i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?
Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!
when evidence is presented it becomes an alibi. your complete lack of evidence is however noted.

keep noting what you want to believe... that will no doubt bolster your doctrinaire beliefs.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2007, 07:16:39 AM »
Ah...being a balanced person is now termed as being an opportunist. This is some revelation.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 07:31:16 AM »
Ah...being a balanced person is now termed as being an opportunist. This is some revelation.

DB, have you appointed FL as your spokes-... leg???

 ;D >:D ::Whip::
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 07:36:58 AM »
That is quite a legitimate question - one can answer the question rather than take potshots.

viz. "Being a balanced person is now being termed as an opportunist?"
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 09:13:28 AM »
i had no idea it won an oscar. anyway the film was so good that it even elicited an o.k. rating from you. that should tell us something.
why the need to introduce movies against capitalism? (i neither subscribe to communism or capitalism, flipsides of the same coin.) your knee jerk reaction is reminiscent of the <insert holy book> thumpers who point at other holy books to justify the crap in their own book.
despite your protestations, your views are not exactly unknown, given past interaction and posts by you.
so you are saying i am a capitalist?  :icon_scratch:
You haven't exactly posted any news about capitalist atrocities, real or fictional, ever, have you?
i don't see why i have to get my convictions rubberstamped, like you do.

My point exactly. So why ask?

i tell it as i see it. i criticised infosys for their attempted landgrab in bengal.

Mao was a nationalist too.

i recommended the movie "burn" which is not exactly a pro capitalist one. may i ask have you posted anything pro capitalist?

Creating red herrings and alibies is your game. No problem. Do that. But do check my posts on the etc section itself for an illumination regarding your query. Not that it will help allaying core convictions!

BTW, I hope you noticed. Now you have our most eminent philosopher of spam firmly on your boat.  :love7:


FP/Dayal one question?

Is there nothing between Capitalist and Communist- have you guys heard of centerist?

Wrong question. The question of a centrist appears in relationship to the presence of a rightist and a leftist...
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FP kya bol raha hai....

Centerist is still the middle guy

nahin. kyonki capitalist/communist are strictly economic categorise, while left, right and centre are broader political ones. thus u can have a centrist like Indira *hi... who was also capitalist in her economic policies.


Ok from one perspective I guess you are ok but Capitalist and Communist represent two ends of the economic spectrum and there is a third way that merges the two -very opportunistically i.e. Socialist.... ;D
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2007, 11:40:14 AM »
Ok from one perspective I guess you are ok but Capitalist and Communist represent two ends of the economic spectrum and there is a third way that merges the two -very opportunistically i.e. Socialist.... ;D

it wasn't me who said it...  ;D ;D
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2007, 12:06:17 PM »
Ok from one perspective I guess you are ok but Capitalist and Communist represent two ends of the economic spectrum and there is a third way that merges the two -very opportunistically i.e. Socialist.... ;D

it wasn't me who said it...  ;D ;D

I have always believed that astute opportunism yields very positive results if one is able to follow through appropriately...

A very good example would be scandinavian nations or even welfare states of the middle east (for the local natural born citizens)
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2007, 12:12:28 PM »
Ok from one perspective I guess you are ok but Capitalist and Communist represent two ends of the economic spectrum and there is a third way that merges the two -very opportunistically i.e. Socialist.... ;D

it wasn't me who said it...  ;D ;D

I have always believed that astute opportunism yields very positive results if one is able to follow through appropriately...

A very good example would be scandinavian nations or even welfare states of the middle east (for the local natural born citizens)

Are you a rotten fish eating socialist monkey or a camel jockey islamofacist jihadi terrst?
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2007, 12:27:15 PM »
Ah...being a balanced person is now termed as being an opportunist. This is some revelation.

"Boy, have you got your lions crossed."

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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2007, 12:34:10 PM »
That is quite a legitimate question - one can answer the question rather than take potshots.

viz. "Being a balanced person is now being termed as an opportunist?"

"Don't go sticking your foot someplace it's got no business being in the first place."

Uncle Remus, Song of the South
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2007, 01:05:10 PM »
Ok from one perspective I guess you are ok but Capitalist and Communist represent two ends of the economic spectrum and there is a third way that merges the two -very opportunistically i.e. Socialist.... ;D

it wasn't me who said it...  ;D ;D

I have always believed that astute opportunism yields very positive results if one is able to follow through appropriately...

A very good example would be scandinavian nations or even welfare states of the middle east (for the local natural born citizens)

Are you a rotten fish eating socialist monkey or a camel jockey islamofacist jihadi terrst?


Iam neither and you seem to be Captain Haddock...
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2007, 02:15:23 PM »
Ok from one perspective I guess you are ok but Capitalist and Communist represent two ends of the economic spectrum and there is a third way that merges the two -very opportunistically i.e. Socialist.... ;D

it wasn't me who said it...  ;D ;D

I have always believed that astute opportunism yields very positive results if one is able to follow through appropriately...

A very good example would be scandinavian nations or even welfare states of the middle east (for the local natural born citizens)

Are you a rotten fish eating socialist monkey or a camel jockey islamofacist jihadi terrst?


Iam neither and you seem to be Captain Haddock...

Billions of bilious blue blistering barnacles in ten thousand thundering typhoons!
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2007, 05:54:13 PM »
That is quite a legitimate question - one can answer the question rather than take potshots.

viz. "Being a balanced person is now being termed as an opportunist?"

"Don't go sticking your foot someplace it's got no business being in the first place."

Uncle Remus, Song of the South

Well, this is a DG and I will post in any thread. If you cannot come up with an answer, then so be it. I will leave it as you are unable to provide the answer.
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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2007, 03:20:14 AM »
That is quite a legitimate question - one can answer the question rather than take potshots.

viz. "Being a balanced person is now being termed as an opportunist?"

"Don't go sticking your foot someplace it's got no business being in the first place."

Uncle Remus, Song of the South

Well, this is a DG and I will post in any thread. If you cannot come up with an answer, then so be it. I will leave it as you are unable to provide the answer.

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Re: “The Lives of Others”: a must see movie for everyone
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2007, 10:39:45 AM »
Intersting video

[youtube=425,350]F-tAzfZ3NS8[/youtube]

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