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[Libran]

Ganguly: Stranded at long-off


DHAKA, May 23: Not for the first time in his career, Sourav Ganguly finds himself alone and isolated in the Indian dressing room. Right from the time when he was first picked for India's tour of Australia in 1991-92, Sourav has had a pretty uneasy existence till he established himself as India's leading player in One-Day Internationals in the late 1990s.

Over the next eight years, Sourav's stock in Indian cricket rose to such dizzy heights that he became the most powerful man in Indian cricket and also its most successful captain.

However, things haven't been the same for the Prince of Kolkata since that unsavoury run-in with former coach Greg Chappell in 2005, which resulted in his ouster from the Indian team. Though he has literally clawed his way back, his position continues to anything but stable.

Following charges that he played selfishly in the World Cup, Sourav found himself rested from the ODI side for the tour of Bangladesh along with Sachin Tendulkar, with whom, it seems, he has linked up big time for old time's sake.

A Test century in Chittagong in the company of Tendulkar showed that Sourav is far from being finished as a batsman. But the cold shoulder that the team management continues to offer him is a matter of grave concern for the former skipper.

Not only is he never consulted on any issue, even the most basic information is often not conveyed to him. According to sources close to the team, Sourav was not informed by administrative manager Surendra Bhave that the team bus would be leaving the hotel for the ground half-an-hour earlier on the final day.

Sourav was obviously aghast to find the team bus gone when he came down to the hotel lobby. It was little consolation for him that Ramesh Powar also found himself stranded. However, thanks to the benevolence of a ‘senior player,' who requested local manager Waseem to wait for the duo and give them a lift to the stadium in his car, Sourav and Powar made it to the ground in time.

The senior player cannot be named for it could land him in further trouble with the BCCI, which has gagged the players so heavily that they are now choking on it.

Sourav, who has also shunned the media like his teammates, refused to comment on it, but he is clearly not enjoying this claustrophobic existence. Given the sheer weight of runs that he keeps piling up, the selectors will find it hard to leave Sourav and Sachin out of the ODI side again when they pick the teams for India's tours of Ireland, Scotland and England.

But for the moment, Sourav is eagerly awaiting the arrival of wife Dona and daughter Sana.'

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/Ganguly_Stranded_at_long-off/articleshow/2070104.cms

[keep-it-cool]

Surendra Bhave has already said on record that since the time to leave for the ground shifted suddenly, they were not able to inform every player about it. Poor organisation, yes. But, I dont see any need to build in sinister designs here.

[caught and bowled]

Very well put KIC. People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now? So along with Ganguly and Powar, there was another "senior" player who was late?? According to these sources close to the players, how come this senior player and Powar didn’t feel claustrophobic, isolated etc. but only Ganguly does?

Just low level, gutter journalism if you ask me..

BTW, Surendra Bhave was a very good opening bat for Maharashtra and was in contention for an India birth at some time. However along with Milind Gunjal he was one of those unlucky ones who never made it.

[Libran]

Very well put KIC. People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now? So along with Ganguly and Powar, there was another "senior" player who was late?? According to these sources close to the players, how come this senior player and Powar didn’t feel claustrophobic, isolated etc. but only Ganguly does?

Just low level, gutter journalism if you ask me..

BTW, Surendra Bhave was a very good opening bat for Maharashtra and was in contention for an India birth at some time. However along with Milind Gunjal he was one of those unlucky ones who never made it.

CB...the other senior player was not late...he was presumably helpful in organizing transport while he himself took the bus....it does not take much to read that the other 'senior' is SRT.....

Complete trash...now that a few issues have been sorted out ..by design or default...it is time to start another episode ....all these guys must to hooked on to Soap Operas....

[caught and bowled]

I agree with you Ravi. I don’t understand the need to rake up the muck now  when everything seems to settling in somewhat. As it is, even without such issues, there are major problems for the team - an unimaginative, bookish leader and mediocre batters and bowlers who are struggling to put it across even a team like Bangladesh.

On a different note, I find this "senior" player's presence a little puzzling. If he were on time, he would have left with the rest of the team already. Powar and Ganguly arrived half an hour late so by then the bus and the senior should have been gone. How could this senior then still be in a position to arrange for some transport??

[pipsqueak]

I agree with you Ravi. I don’t understand the need to rake up the muck now  when everything seems to settling in somewhat. As it is, even without such issues, there are major problems for the team - an unimaginative, bookish leader and mediocre batters and bowlers who are struggling to put it across even a team like Bangladesh.

On a different note, I find this "senior" player's presence a little puzzling. If he were on time, he would have left with the rest of the team already. Powar and Ganguly arrived half an hour late so by then the bus and the senior should have been gone. How could this senior then still be in a position to arrange for some transport??

the senior noticed that these two weren't around when they were about the board the bus. he figured that they weren't aware of the early departure and told the local manager to stay back and give those two a ride while he left with the rest of the team in the bus.

*mystery solved*

[caught and bowled]

I agree with you Ravi. I don’t understand the need to rake up the muck now  when everything seems to settling in somewhat. As it is, even without such issues, there are major problems for the team - an unimaginative, bookish leader and mediocre batters and bowlers who are struggling to put it across even a team like Bangladesh.

On a different note, I find this "senior" player's presence a little puzzling. If he were on time, he would have left with the rest of the team already. Powar and Ganguly arrived half an hour late so by then the bus and the senior should have been gone. How could this senior then still be in a position to arrange for some transport??

Madam, are you trying to say something or is it the poetic way of saying my silence speaks a thousand words

[pipsqueak]

I agree with you Ravi. I don’t understand the need to rake up the muck now  when everything seems to settling in somewhat. As it is, even without such issues, there are major problems for the team - an unimaginative, bookish leader and mediocre batters and bowlers who are struggling to put it across even a team like Bangladesh.

On a different note, I find this "senior" player's presence a little puzzling. If he were on time, he would have left with the rest of the team already. Powar and Ganguly arrived half an hour late so by then the bus and the senior should have been gone. How could this senior then still be in a position to arrange for some transport??

Madam, are you trying to say something or is it the poetic way of saying my silence speaks a thousand words

as they say, better to remain silent and be suspected an idjet than open one's mouth and confirm it...

actually, my damn keyboard submits the post before i finish it! i think when i hit the backspace, it happens. one of these days, i will outsmart my computer. i modified my previous post.

[Libran]

I agree with you Ravi. I don’t understand the need to rake up the muck now  when everything seems to settling in somewhat. As it is, even without such issues, there are major problems for the team - an unimaginative, bookish leader and mediocre batters and bowlers who are struggling to put it across even a team like Bangladesh.

On a different note, I find this "senior" player's presence a little puzzling. If he were on time, he would have left with the rest of the team already. Powar and Ganguly arrived half an hour late so by then the bus and the senior should have been gone. How could this senior then still be in a position to arrange for some transport??

Are we not delving into nitty-gritties...anyways...Let me look at it from my point of view...

SRT is boarding the bus...notices that his close pal , SG and his state mate RP are not around...And bus is ready to leave..He talks to Waseem and ensures that the transport for the two of them is arranged and leaves with the rest of the team....

What you and I and most people working as a team would do....either we wait for all of us to leave together or if it was a matter of discipline, unofficially ensure that the people with 'lesser discipline' still reach the ultimate destination...What are friends for??!!

[caught and bowled]

Ravi/Pipsquesk,
Indeed that could be one possibility. However, in thact case, I must say the senior concerned was being mighty considerate..

But yes, what are friends for otherwise (although the words such as friends, team etc. in the same sentence along with Indian Cricketers somehow dont seem right!!)

[Jai]

Very well put KIC. People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now? So along with Ganguly and Powar, there was another "senior" player who was late?? According to these sources close to the players, how come this senior player and Powar didn’t feel claustrophobic, isolated etc. but only Ganguly does?

Just low level, gutter journalism if you ask me..

BTW, Surendra Bhave was a very good opening bat for Maharashtra and was in contention for an India birth at some time. However along with Milind Gunjal he was one of those unlucky ones who never made it.

The title of the thread reads 'Mountain out of a mole hill - TOI creating news...out to destroy Indian cricket' and it has been posted by one of the so called Gangulians. The news hasn't been lapped up by anyone and no debate has started and yet you are wondering about giving credibility to the report? Who's doing that? I've seen this thread since the time it was posted here and Ravi didn't modify the title. Where do you see anyone giving credibility to this report? Just posting a news item doesn't mean giving it credibility when the title clearly suggests otherwise. Many posters post many news item as they find them on the net. It's up to the members to then take up the topic and debate it if they find any merit to it and obviously this hasn't been one, at least so far.

The other point regarding the helpful senior player has been adequately explained by MT and Ravi. Regarding your question about why only SG is feeling claustrophobic and not Power and the other senior player, does the report only mention this 'missing the bus incident' and say that's the reason why SG is feeling claustrophobic? I don't think so because I have read it, although I still don't believe the content of the report. But if you are questioning some parts of this particular report, then that's not a valid question because it doesn't say anywhere that just because SG missed the bus, he's isolated in the dressing room or feeling claustrophobic, as you have put it. The report does highlight that bus incident, but also says something like he's never consulted on anything etc.

Anyway, the bottomline is everyone so far agrees that it was a poor attempt to create some unnecessary noise and nothing more.

[caught and bowled]

I was just responding to KIC and giving my opinion on the report. I dont belive anything mentioned in that report. Surendra Bhave had clarified about what went wrong etc. All this "senior" player coming out and helping the poor stranded players and Ganguly not being consulted and feeling clasutrophobic etc., in my opinion, is a poor attempt by the paper to create controversy. I just trying to point that out by raising the senior issue etc.

Dont get so worked up. Its just my opinion and I dont expect you to agree...

[Jai]

I was just responding to KIC and giving my opinion on the report. I dont belive anything mentioned in that report. Surendra Bhave had clarified about what went wrong etc. All this "senior" player coming out and helping the poor stranded players and Ganguly not being consulted and feeling clasutrophobic etc., in my opinion, is a poor attempt by the paper to create controversy. I just trying to point that out by raising the senior issue etc.

Dont get so worked up. Its just my opinion and I dont expect you to agree...

LOL, I am not getting worked up at all and I know you are giving your opinion, but you also did mention 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?' and I was wondering about that line in particular and a few others as mentioned in my earlier post. Everyone who posts here is giving his/her opinion only, that doesn't mean that others can't ask questions on their opinions or there can be no discussions. As I have said, everyone agreed that it was a poor attempt to create controversy, there's no issue with that. I was only asking you questions about the additional points that you have raised like giving it a credibility and SG feeling claustrophobic while the others who missed the bus did not etc. How about giving opinions on your earlier opinions? 

[caught and bowled]

I dont think thats necessary. I gave my opinions and then tried to clarify,  if it is still not clear to you thats not my problem..

[Jai]

I dont think thats necessary. I gave my opinions and then tried to clarify,  if it is still not clear to you thats not my problem..

I have gone through the entire thread since it's not too big as of now. Can you please point out where did you try to clarify the line 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?' May be I have missed your clarification. If it doesn't take too much of your precious time, why don't you try to clarify it instead of just saying that it's not your problem? I mean you have already exchanged two posts with me and a few others with Ravi and MT. How about one more with a clarification if you have one?  I'll really like to know who are those people giving credibility to this TOI report?

[caught and bowled]

I dont think thats necessary. I gave my opinions and then tried to clarify,  if it is still not clear to you thats not my problem..

I have gone through the entire thread since it's not too big as of now. Can you please point out where did you try to clarify the line 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?' May be I have missed your clarification. If it doesn't take too much of your precious time, why don't you try to clarify it instead of just saying that it's not your problem? I mean you have already exchanged two posts with me and a few others with Ravi and MT. How about one more with a clarification if you have one?  I'll really like to know who are those people giving credibility to this TOI report?

Boss did I say Ravi or anyone  else was giving any credibility to this report? The question I had asked was more rhetorical than anything. Ravi or Pipsqueak didn’t appear to take it as anything else but that.

More than anything I was agreeing with Ravi's title of the report. I then agreed with what KIC had said. The bit about  the senior issue etc. was added just to show it didn’t seem feasible and hence was a poor attempt on the paper's part to create unnecessary controvarsy. It had nothing to do with Ganguly, if that’s bothering you

[Jai]

I dont think thats necessary. I gave my opinions and then tried to clarify,  if it is still not clear to you thats not my problem..

I have gone through the entire thread since it's not too big as of now. Can you please point out where did you try to clarify the line 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?' May be I have missed your clarification. If it doesn't take too much of your precious time, why don't you try to clarify it instead of just saying that it's not your problem? I mean you have already exchanged two posts with me and a few others with Ravi and MT. How about one more with a clarification if you have one?  I'll really like to know who are those people giving credibility to this TOI report?

Boss did I say Ravi or anyone  else was giving any credibility to this report? The question I had asked was more rhetorical than anything. Ravi or Pipsqueak didn’t take it as anything else but that.

More than anything I was agreeing with Ravi's title of the report. I then agreed with what KIC had said. The bit about  the senior issue etc. was added just to show it didn’t seem feasible and hence was a poor attempt on the paper's part to create unnecessary controvarsy. It had nothing to do with Ganguly, if that’s bothering you

Even when I highlight a sentence from your own post, you choose to make a dig at me by asking whether it's the SG name that's bothering me. Fantastic !!! I asked you to explain why you made that comment about 'the people of the DG' and you still haven't given me an explanation about your own quote. If you were agreeing about Ravi's title, then why make that remark? That's my plain and simple question. It's not related to Ganguly or Tendulkar. And just because Ravi or MT don't notice a sentence, doesn't mean that I may miss it too. May be it didn't catch their eye. Since you are still not getting me, let me rephrase myself one more time.

a) The question is NO LONGER about the credibility of the report. Everyone who has so far posted on this thread agrees that the report has no credibility.

Clear?

If not, please go back to the top and reread before reading any further.

If we agree on the above, then it's not necessary to talk about the helpful senior cricketer as that part is also from the report which we are considering not credible enough.

b) Now your comment 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?'

This part was not mentioned in the report and it's your own comment. First I thought may be you are referring to Ravi who has posted this report, but in your latest post you have clarified that you were actually agreeing with Ravi's title !!!

So my question back to you is who are these people on this DG that you are referring to and how and where did they give TOI report any credibility NOW? Can you just answer this bold part without bringing in Ganguly, Bhave, SRT or Power into discussion. Let me say it here categorically that none of these names are bothering me. I am just plain and simple curious about your own personal comment and not about any name or sentence mentioned in that TOI report.

Is my question clear to you now?

[atticus]

I dont think thats necessary. I gave my opinions and then tried to clarify,  if it is still not clear to you thats not my problem..

I have gone through the entire thread since it's not too big as of now. Can you please point out where did you try to clarify the line 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?' May be I have missed your clarification. If it doesn't take too much of your precious time, why don't you try to clarify it instead of just saying that it's not your problem? I mean you have already exchanged two posts with me and a few others with Ravi and MT. How about one more with a clarification if you have one?  I'll really like to know who are those people giving credibility to this TOI report?

Boss did I say Ravi or anyone  else was giving any credibility to this report? The question I had asked was more rhetorical than anything. Ravi or Pipsqueak didn’t take it as anything else but that.

More than anything I was agreeing with Ravi's title of the report. I then agreed with what KIC had said. The bit about  the senior issue etc. was added just to show it didn’t seem feasible and hence was a poor attempt on the paper's part to create unnecessary controvarsy. It had nothing to do with Ganguly, if that’s bothering you

Even when I highlight a sentence from your own post, you choose to make a dig at me by asking whether it's the SG name that's bothering me. Fantastic !!! I asked you to explain why you made that comment about 'the people of the DG' and you still haven't given me an explanation about your own quote. If you were agreeing about Ravi's title, then why make that remark? That's my plain and simple question. It's not related to Ganguly or Tendulkar. And just because Ravi or MT don't notice a sentence, doesn't mean that I may miss it too. May be it didn't catch their eye. Since you are still not getting me, let me rephrase myself one more time.

a) The question is NO LONGER about the credibility of the report. Everyone who has so far posted on this thread agrees that the report has no credibility.

Clear?

If not, please go back to the top and reread before reading any further.

If we agree on the above, then it's not necessary to talk about the helpful senior cricketer as that part is also from the report which we are considering not credible enough.

b) Now your comment 'People on this DG refer to Times Of India as Toilet of India,  why give their reports any credibility now?'

This part was not mentioned in the report and it's your own comment. First I thought may be you are referring to Ravi who has posted this report, but in your latest post you have clarified that you were actually agreeing with Ravi's title !!!

So my question back to you is who are these people on this DG that you are referring to and how and where did they give TOI report any credibility NOW? Can you just answer this bold part without bringing in Ganguly, Bhave, SRT or Power into discussion. Let me say it here categorically that none of these names are bothering me. I am just plain and simple curious about your own personal comment and not about any name or sentence mentioned in that TOI report.

Is my question clear to you now?

Jai,

If I may interject for C&b, reading that sentence, I'm not sure the "People of this DG" part is applicable to the "why give credit..." part of the sentence. It is more like - hey people of this DG consider TOI as Toilet of India, so do not give credibility to this report. It is not an accusatory question at all. I think C&B clarified it by saying it was a rhetorical question. He is not accusing anyone of giving credibility to the report. Anyway, that's how I understood it. I maybe wrong.

[keep-it-cool]

Jai, chill yaar .. what part of "rhetorical question" do you not understand?

[caught and bowled]

KIC/Atticus…thanks for helping out. It was becoming tedious to repeat myself.

Jai,
I normally post from the office and have to continuously watch over my shoulder as we have an open plan office. While trying to get a few quick lines in, sometimes I end up with posts where, when I read back, I feel I could have done better.

Reading your initial reaction, I thought perhaps my original post had created  a wrong impression. So I  tried to clarify a few times. In spite of that, if you choose to latch on to something which, at least after the explanation,  should have become irrelevant,  and keep jumping up and down with sarcastic questions, there is not much I can do.

[Cover Point]

KIC/Atticus…thanks for helping out. It was becoming tedious to repeat myself.

Jai,
I normally post from the office and have to continuously watch over my shoulder as we have an open plan office. While trying to get a few quick lines in, sometimes I end up with posts where, when I read back, I feel I could have done better.

Reading your initial reaction, I thought perhaps my original post had created  a wrong impression. So I  tried to clarify a few times. In spite of that, if you choose to latch on to something which, at least after the explanation,  should have become irrelevant,  and keep jumping up and down with sarcastic questions, there is not much I can do.

Jai has taken the gussa from Gabbar. He has forgotten how calm and collected Jai really was. I need to repost my Mausi routine from a year ago!

[Jai]

KIC/Atticus…thanks for helping out. It was becoming tedious to repeat myself.

Jai,
I normally post from the office and have to continuously watch over my shoulder as we have an open plan office. While trying to get a few quick lines in, sometimes I end up with posts where, when I read back, I feel I could have done better.

Reading your initial reaction, I thought perhaps my original post had created  a wrong impression. So I  tried to clarify a few times. In spite of that, if you choose to latch on to something which, at least after the explanation,  should have become irrelevant,  and keep jumping up and down with sarcastic questions, there is not much I can do.

Alright, since you are repeatedly saying that you didn't mean what I thought you had meant and also mentioned here that sometime with your posts you later feel that you could have done better, I'll give it a rest. However, one thing I have noticed that in your posts, you invariably put in a line or two which could be avoided. I was asking you about a line of your's, you didn't need to bring in the line asking me whether the name of SG is bothering me or here in this post saying something like 'keep jumping up and down with sarcastic questions'. These are uncalled for. So, be careful. I don't think I've used any sarcastic comments on this thread. I agree I do use them sometimes, but usually those are directed to my dear friend CP.

[Jai]

KIC/Atticus…thanks for helping out. It was becoming tedious to repeat myself.

Jai,
I normally post from the office and have to continuously watch over my shoulder as we have an open plan office. While trying to get a few quick lines in, sometimes I end up with posts where, when I read back, I feel I could have done better.

Reading your initial reaction, I thought perhaps my original post had created  a wrong impression. So I  tried to clarify a few times. In spite of that, if you choose to latch on to something which, at least after the explanation,  should have become irrelevant,  and keep jumping up and down with sarcastic questions, there is not much I can do.

Jai has taken the gussa from Gabbar. He has forgotten how calm and collected Jai really was. I need to repost my Mausi routine from a year ago!

Which Jai are you talking about yaar? There's a new Jai today, watch out for RGV's 'Sholay'. And CP, regarding your response to CLR on the other thread which has been locked now, you see only someone like CLR can write something like that and nobody else. So don't say that if you had written it, people may not have found it funny. Why only you, I repeat nobody, including me and you, could have written that and got those responses. It's one of the great posts ever posted on this DG. Like someone (probably Ravi) has said, even if you replace CP and SG with other names, the post would still remain a masterpiece. You should feel good that your name is associated with that post. It's an honor CP, look at the bright side. I am happy to see that you did recognize it as a funny post. But don't bother about whether you would have got a similar response because as I have explained, nobody could have written something like that.

And good luck for the weekend game. 

[caught and bowled]

Jai, Thanks. Just some clarifications:

1. I  used "I could have done better" only in terms of clarity. Otherwise I stand by what I say.

2. You say you have noticed that my posts always have a line or two which could be avoided. Don’t you think you should leave it to me to decide what I should write and what avoid?

3. With your aggressive/confrontational mode of questioning, I thought you were probably reacting to my referring to Ganguly's name. Knowing  how sensitive people are here and  how even a simple reference to his name without any malice can spark a riot, I thought of clarifying that I was in no way commenting on Ganguly. You took that as a "dig" at you

4. I don’t normally use words like keep "jumping up and down with sarcastic questions" very often. However, I thought , perhaps  your way of questioning my motive repeatedly in spite of clarifying a few times as well as using condescending sentences like "Clear? If not, please go back to the top and reread before reading any further." needed that kind of response.

5. "so be careful"- ??!! - I hope you are not threatening me.

Anyway, chill bhidu. There are better things in life to argue. I didnt mean to be rude

[esvee]

Some ones trying to be a school teacher here . No clarifications please and I won't give one .

[Jai]

Jai, Thanks. Just some clarifications:

1. I  used "I could have done better" only in terms of clarity. Otherwise I stand by what I say.

2. You say you have noticed that my posts always have a line or two which could be avoided. Don’t you think you should leave it to me to decide what I should write and what avoid?

3. With your aggressive/confrontational mode of questioning, I thought you were probably reacting to my referring to Ganguly's name. Knowing  how sensitive people are here and  how even a simple reference to his name without any malice can spark a riot, I thought of clarifying that I was in no way commenting on Ganguly. You took that as a "dig" at you

4. I don’t normally use words like keep "jumping up and down with sarcastic questions" very often. However, I thought , perhaps  your way of questioning my motive repeatedly in spite of clarifying a few times as well as using condescending sentences like "Clear? If not, please go back to the top and reread before reading any further." needed that kind of response.

5. "so be careful"- ??!! - I hope you are not threatening me.

Anyway, chill bhidu. There are better things in life to argue. I didnt mean to be rude

Yes, you can choose what to write and what to avoid, but it shouldn't appear offensive or rude to others (me in this case). It's just not enough to say that you don't normally use such phrases and you didn't mean to be rude. Well, you were. That's how I felt. That 'be careful' was not meant as a threat at all. I don't believe in threatening someone on a virtual forum. Virtual threat doesn't mean anything, right? It was more like be careful with your comments/remarks. Both of us know which side of the SG fence we belong. But I do hope that I can still have conversations with people from the other side of the fence without bringing SG or GC into the picture. As I was telling CP the other day, I have stopped using GC's name as he's no longer in the picture. I hope the same happens with other folks too. I didn't say anything here that would suggest that I am defending SG or you were attacking him. So why assume?

Anyway, let's just drop it. Yes, there's better things in life to argue, too bad CP is banned. 

[caught and bowled]

Some ones trying to be a school teacher here . No clarifications please and I won't give one .

someone can become the pupil if he wants....dont ask for clarifications...I also wont give one

[pipsqueak]

"jumping up and down with sarcastic questions"



 

[caught and bowled]

"jumping up and down with sarcastic questions"



 

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