Topic: Wisden puts Raina in rare company (Read 1417 times)

esvee · « **on:** May 23, 2007, 03:19:22 PM »

Wisden puts Raina in rare company

Suresh Raina may have lost his place in the Indian team due to indifferent form but he figures among the 10 players, who will "define" cricket in the next decade.

The latest issue of the Wisden Cricketer clubs Raina with Australians batsman Michael Clarke, paceman Shaun Tait, all-rounder Shane Watson, England batsman Kevin Pietersen, Pakistan's fast medium seamer Mohammad Asif, Sri Lanka's fast bowler Lasith Malinga, West Indian all-rounder Dwayne Bravo, New Zealand batsman Ross Taylor and Bangladesh vice captain Mohammad Ashraful as the players who will define cricket's next decade.

Well-known British cricket writer Lawrence Booth states in the article that Raina had the talent to be a left-handed Sachin Tendulkar with even more intuitive flair.

"But he needs to be sensitively handled by India. The way he dismantled England during an ODI in Faridabad in March 2006 hinted at a rare genius, and Greg Chappell never stopped singing his praises. Aged 20, he has plenty of time on his side," he said.

Paying glowing tributes to the hard-hitting Pietersen, the article said that he finished the World Cup at the top of the one day ratings and he has the ability to stay there.

"Only if he grows fed up with his teammates' failings, will his potential be threatened but Pietersen -- flamingo shot, left-handed sweep, bottom-handed cover drive and all -- is well on course to fulfill Ponting's prediction that he is world cricket's next great phenomenon," it said.

http://ia.rediff.com/cricket/2007/may/23raina.htm

dextrous · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:06:23 PM »

Raina in the same line as Kevin Pietersen! Indian cricket has hope.

Cover Point · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:12:18 PM »

Now to slam Lawrance Booth. How dare he say that GC spotted some talent! Nothing GC did could be good.

flute202020 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:14:20 PM »

Quote from: Cover Point on May 23, 2007, 05:12:18 PM

Now to slam Lawrance Booth. How dare he say that GC spotted some talent! Nothing GC did could be good.

CP, after so many days on this DG, you are so naive. din't you know? "THE CONVICT" got to Booth and most of Wisden.

kingcool1432 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:34:25 PM »

Quote from: flute202020 on May 23, 2007, 05:14:20 PM

Quote from: Cover Point on May 23, 2007, 05:12:18 PM
Now to slam Lawrance Booth. How dare he say that GC spotted some talent! Nothing GC did could be good.
CP, after so many days on this DG, you are so naive. din't you know? "THE CONVICT" got to Booth and most of Wisden.

Yes, it is perfectly alright if you guys joke about convicts and it is also ok to start a million threads if Ravi or whomever does it

dextrous · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:40:43 PM »

Quote from: Cover Point on May 23, 2007, 05:12:18 PM

Now to slam Lawrance Booth. How dare he say that GC spotted some talent! Nothing GC did could be good.

And that isn't done about Kapil Dev? Gavaskar?

Why ruin a thread about Raina with the same ol negativity?

natty · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM »

I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.

sgusa · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2007, 06:03:22 PM »

Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM

I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.

Nothing better than a fresh cup of humor in the morning!

ruchir · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2007, 06:18:23 PM »

Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM

I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.

Which hill did the loser go over?

Are there any hills in Bengal?

Is the guy, who went over the hill, a certified loser?

Does it mean that anyone, who goes over that particular hill, becomes a loser?

Does it mean that only if a Bengali goes over that particular hill, he becomes a loser; while others don't?

What is your source of information, who told you the following:
A) There was a hill in Bengal
B) Some person went over that hill
C) That person is a loser

Can your source be named or he wishes to remain unnamed?

What is his credibility, in case he wishes to remain unnamed?

Are you going to answer the questions asked above?

Cernunnos · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2007, 06:33:11 PM »

Notice who brings in GC's name, convicts, bengal ... anyway carry on with your tea-party.

LosingNow · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM »

Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM

I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.

Amen to the bolded part!

CLR James · « **Reply #11 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:53:06 PM »

The future! So it is still "beeti na beetayi Raina..." Anyway, all the best to the kid.

WicketView · « **Reply #12 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM

Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!

Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).

LosingNow · « **Reply #13 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM »

Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!
Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).

My first cut was that.. but then I thought otherwise (he or Kaif should have been sent to BD ODIs).
..
BTW, can you imagine an offside fielding cordon of Kartik, YS, Kaif and Raina!!! Perhaps the best in world

WicketView · « **Reply #14 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:01:56 PM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM

Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!
Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).
My first cut was that.. but then I thought otherwise (he or Kaif should have been sent to BD ODIs).
..
BTW, can you imagine an offside fielding cordon of Kartik, YS, Kaif and Raina!!! Perhaps the best in world

Kaif maybe. But you wanted to send an injured Raina who needed surgery to BD? Come now.

But, I agree the off side cordon with these guys would be great. It would help if they got their batting in good shape .... and would be great if they did a bit of bowling too.

LosingNow · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:04:12 PM »

He is hurt? Sorry, did not know that. ooops

Cover Point · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:06:38 PM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM

Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!
Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).
My first cut was that.. but then I thought otherwise (he or Kaif should have been sent to BD ODIs).
..
BTW, can you imagine an offside fielding cordon of Kartik, YS, Kaif and Raina!!! Perhaps the best in world

Best in Indian history maybe. Aus , SA are better anyday!!!

See these guys are good by our standards not by THOSE standards

CLR James · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:13:19 PM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM

Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!
Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).
My first cut was that.. but then I thought otherwise (he or Kaif should have been sent to BD ODIs).
..
BTW, can you imagine an offside fielding cordon of Kartik, YS, Kaif and Raina!!! Perhaps the best in world

Yes, but even they will not be able to put the shutters on cover point.

poondu · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:15:45 PM »

Quote from: CLR James on May 23, 2007, 09:13:19 PM

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!
Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).
My first cut was that.. but then I thought otherwise (he or Kaif should have been sent to BD ODIs).
..
BTW, can you imagine an offside fielding cordon of Kartik, YS, Kaif and Raina!!! Perhaps the best in world

Yes, but even they will not be able to put the shutters on cover point.

CLR,

WicketView · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:16:08 PM »

As proved a few minutes ago!

poondu · « **Reply #20 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:17:20 PM »

Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 09:16:08 PM

As proved a few minutes ago!

WV , dont understand what you mean here ?

WicketView · « **Reply #21 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:20:48 PM »

Is it not apparent from the post preceeding the CCOL (CLR Classic One Liner)?

Cover Point · « **Reply #22 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:33:46 PM »

Quote from: CLR James on May 23, 2007, 09:13:19 PM

Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: WicketView on May 23, 2007, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: losingnow on May 23, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: natty on May 23, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I hereby announce my intention to form a committee to consider a possible run as Suresh Raina's #1 Fan and Supporter on this DG. Any negative remarks about our superstar in absentia shall be summarily dealt with. SR is perhaps the most talented Indian cricketer and is being denied chances by that over-the-hill loser from bengal.
Amen to the bolded part!
Amen if you shorten the bolded part as shown. (I believe he is injured).
My first cut was that.. but then I thought otherwise (he or Kaif should have been sent to BD ODIs).
..
BTW, can you imagine an offside fielding cordon of Kartik, YS, Kaif and Raina!!! Perhaps the best in world

Yes, but even they will not be able to put the shutters on cover point.

Put twenty Jonty's there. Khada kar do wahan bees Jonty. Cover point sab fielders ko chhed ke dikha dega Jailor Sahab. sab Fielders ko chhed ke dikha dega!

<Courtesy Kalia>

CLR James · « **Reply #23 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:37:15 PM »

Thank God Cover Point was not put off by that off side field. He is as offensive as ever.

Cover Point · « **Reply #24 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:40:35 PM »

Quote from: CLR James on May 23, 2007, 09:37:15 PM

Thank God Cover Point was not put off by that off side field. He is as offensive as ever.

Offense is the best defense! (or thats what I have been telling my captain as my excuse for my shot last week)

broadbat · « **Reply #25 on:** May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM »

GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #26 on:** May 24, 2007, 03:59:15 AM »

Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM

GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.

I think Raina will do well. Am still not confident about KKD as a specialist batsman.

LosingNow · « **Reply #27 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM »

Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM

GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.

I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:06:53 AM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM

Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.
I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.

LosingNow · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:09:57 AM »

Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:06:53 AM

Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM
Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.
I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.

Make that the second last!

Cover Point · « **Reply #30 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:14:05 AM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:09:57 AM

Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM
Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.
I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.
Make that the second last!

Third last.

He has had some growing pains. We had to accomodate the incoming maharathi so someone had to make way. Good thing is he has time on his side

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #31 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:16:22 AM »

Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:09:57 AM

Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM
Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.
I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.
Make that the second last!

kban1 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:16:41 AM »

Quote

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.

Not really, there are quite afew others who still believe he has the talent to be a batting star -- in the future. Speaking for myself, I shall say this -- I believe he has the latent talent, but needs polishing.

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #33 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:17:19 AM »

Quote from: Cover Point on May 24, 2007, 04:14:05 AM

Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:09:57 AM
Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM
Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.
I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.
Make that the second last!

Third last.

He has had some growing pains. We had to accomodate the incoming maharathi so someone had to make way. Good thing is he has time on his side

Oh, I dont think he was dropped to accomodate anyone .. he was rightly dropped on form.

LosingNow · « **Reply #34 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:25:30 AM »

Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:16:22 AM

Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:09:57 AM
Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Quote from: losingnow on May 24, 2007, 04:04:51 AM
Quote from: broadbat on May 24, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
GC made a few comments about the future of Indian cricket. He said that Karthik and Raina were to be watched out for and he seems to have been right about one of them so far. May be he will be proved right about the other also.
I think there were many others (Sobers, Richards - both Barry and Viv, Hussain, David Lloyd, Holding etc) besides GC ..who were in awe of SR's talent

BTW, so was more than half of this DG during the England ODIs

I probably remain the last man standing here ... who thinks he has what it takes.
Make that the second last!

Speaking of youth..

How about this "maharathi-less" line-up for ODIs (perhaps as soon as England tour - I am allowed to dream, aint I?)..

RU/GG/MK*/YS/SR/KKD/MSD+/(Powar/Chawla)/SS/MP(?)/RPS .. with Tiwary/Sharma/Ishant/another young fast bowler making up the 15!!

Libran · « **Reply #35 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:27:12 AM »

Before we go gaga over SR and his prodigious talent, can we rewind to some of Wisden's selection of players ..their best 5, best 10 whatever and see if they have been , forget spot on, even close to the rankings...

And so with ICC rankings...the stark reality of not crowning Dhoni the emerging star....

Raina is good, so said the Guru...so did he about VRV Singh, RP Singh, Venugopala Rao....
And he has nothing to say about the likes of Badrinath .....

You sometimes strike the bull's eye in a 100 shots at it ...It has probably done so with his assessment of SR

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #36 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:37:43 AM »

I wouldnt have MP in the line up .. he is worse on fitness / athleticism than any maharathi, sucks with the bat and does not offer enough extra with the ball to merit a place in the side

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #37 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:38:58 AM »

Quote from: ravi1010 on May 24, 2007, 04:27:12 AM

Before we go gaga over SR and his prodigious talent, can we rewind to some of Wisden's selection of players ..their best 5, best 10 whatever and see if they have been , forget spot on, even close to the rankings...

And so with ICC rankings...the stark reality of not crowning Dhoni the emerging star....

Raina is good, so said the Guru...so did he about VRV Singh, RP Singh, Venugopala Rao....
And he has nothing to say about the likes of Badrinath .....

You sometimes strike the bull's eye in a 100 shots at it ...It has probably done so with his assessment of SR

But, where did any of us say that we like SR because GC liked him or because Wisden liked him? I dont see how this is relevant.

amit_c · « **Reply #38 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:42:05 AM »

Quote from: ravi1010 on May 24, 2007, 04:27:12 AM

Before we go gaga over SR and his prodigious talent, can we rewind to some of Wisden's selection of players ..their best 5, best 10 whatever and see if they have been , forget spot on, even close to the rankings...

And so with ICC rankings...the stark reality of not crowning Dhoni the emerging star....

Raina is good, so said the Guru...so did he about VRV Singh, RP Singh, Venugopala Rao....
And he has nothing to say about the likes of Badrinath .....

You sometimes strike the bull's eye in a 100 shots at it ...It has probably done so with his assessment of SR

Granted. Members of this discussion group have a much keener eye for batting talent. Some of us just
tend to forget that on occasion. Apologies.

Libran · « **Reply #39 on:** May 24, 2007, 04:45:17 AM »

Quote from: keep-it-cool on May 24, 2007, 04:38:58 AM

Quote from: ravi1010 on May 24, 2007, 04:27:12 AM
Before we go gaga over SR and his prodigious talent, can we rewind to some of Wisden's selection of players ..their best 5, best 10 whatever and see if they have been , forget spot on, even close to the rankings...

And so with ICC rankings...the stark reality of not crowning Dhoni the emerging star....

Raina is good, so said the Guru...so did he about VRV Singh, RP Singh, Venugopala Rao....
And he has nothing to say about the likes of Badrinath .....

You sometimes strike the bull's eye in a 100 shots at it ...It has probably done so with his assessment of SR

But, where did any of us say that we like SR because GC liked him or because Wisden liked him? I dont see how this is relevant.

And where have I said that you liked him because Wisden and GC liked him...This thread was started and SR is being discussed because of the Wisden story...and I am calling into Question Wisden's Wisdom....and there are presumptive references to criticizing GC because he supposedly identified SR

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