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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #160 on: May 21, 2007, 10:00:35 AM »
What crappy captaincy is this...allowing the 9th wicket pair to get 40+ by not even making some elementary changes to the bowling...Indian cricket fans must be getting sick and tired of this kind of 'bookish' captaincy....

Is the redemption round the corner  >:(
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #161 on: May 21, 2007, 10:31:56 AM »
What crappy captaincy is this...allowing the 9th wicket pair to get 40+ by not even making some elementary changes to the bowling...Indian cricket fans must be getting sick and tired of this kind of 'bookish' captaincy....

Is the redemption round the corner  >:(

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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #162 on: May 22, 2007, 03:38:11 AM »
that's it, we're pretty much done. no play till after lunch. next inspection at lunchtime. Bangladesh takes the psychological edge into the next match  ;D ;D
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #163 on: May 22, 2007, 04:29:34 AM »
that's it, we're pretty much done. no play till after lunch. next inspection at lunchtime. Bangladesh takes the psychological edge into the next match  ;D ;D

we should declare now. we can still bundle out BD in 2 sessions.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #164 on: May 22, 2007, 05:56:05 AM »
lets see how much time there is. and lets see if RD has the balls to declare with a lead of 225-250. expect us to tamely bat out the day
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #165 on: May 22, 2007, 05:58:58 AM »
lets see how much time there is. and lets see if RD has the balls to declare with a lead of 225-250. expect us to tamely bat out the day

If the game begins at all, India will use the time for batting practice. The only point of interest- will SRT get his 37th hundred.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #166 on: May 22, 2007, 07:47:51 AM »
play to begin in 15 mins. let's see what the approach will be.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #167 on: May 22, 2007, 07:47:58 AM »
lets see how much time there is. and lets see if RD has the balls to declare with a lead of 225-250. expect us to tamely bat out the day

12.30pm local time With the second inspection the umpires concluded that play could well start by 2pm local time with an inspection half an hour before that. Tea will be taken at 3.30pm and a total of 55 overs of play seems possible.

So, knowing that bad light will force players off a hour before schedueld close, a max of 40 overs is possible. Will RD be bold enough to declare giving BD a target of 193 in 55 overs, realistically 40 overs....... IMO, we should go for the kill. I don't think BD will anyways go for the win. It'll be a good test for VRV, RPS, and RP.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #168 on: May 22, 2007, 07:59:46 AM »
im disgusted by the commentary on cricinfo and by arun lol and cullinan. basically theyre settling for sachin getting another 100. wtf. is there a shortage of testicles at the stadium in chittagong?
cmon, somebody
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #169 on: May 22, 2007, 08:00:52 AM »
No declaration...

55 overs to go.. SRT going for his 37th century ;D ;D
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #170 on: May 22, 2007, 08:03:38 AM »
i dont understand what is there to be scared of. let Bangla go for the win! we would have sportingly declared twice to force a result in a 2.5 day match. they wont win in any case!
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #171 on: May 22, 2007, 08:06:12 AM »
Nice hooker ... this KKD ;D ;D
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #172 on: May 22, 2007, 08:09:23 AM »
KKD slogging
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #173 on: May 22, 2007, 08:19:45 AM »
lets see how much time there is. and lets see if RD has the balls to declare with a lead of 225-250. expect us to tamely bat out the day

12.30pm local time With the second inspection the umpires concluded that play could well start by 2pm local time with an inspection half an hour before that. Tea will be taken at 3.30pm and a total of 55 overs of play seems possible.

So, knowing that bad light will force players off a hour before schedueld close, a max of 40 overs is possible. Will RD be bold enough to declare giving BD a target of 193 in 55 overs, realistically 40 overs....... IMO, we should go for the kill. I don't think BD will anyways go for the win. It'll be a good test for VRV, RPS, and RP.

Agree. But the Bang batsmen have the option of declining the bad light offer
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #174 on: May 22, 2007, 08:33:13 AM »
lets see how much time there is. and lets see if RD has the balls to declare with a lead of 225-250. expect us to tamely bat out the day

12.30pm local time With the second inspection the umpires concluded that play could well start by 2pm local time with an inspection half an hour before that. Tea will be taken at 3.30pm and a total of 55 overs of play seems possible.

So, knowing that bad light will force players off a hour before schedueld close, a max of 40 overs is possible. Will RD be bold enough to declare giving BD a target of 193 in 55 overs, realistically 40 overs....... IMO, we should go for the kill. I don't think BD will anyways go for the win. It'll be a good test for VRV, RPS, and RP.

Agree. But the Bang batsmen have the option of declining the bad light offer

we've seen many instances when batters are forced off since the itz too dark to play.

Anwyays, RD and the whole Indian team are PUSSIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 45 overs, 226 lead and we still bat on, as if the opponents are Australia.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #175 on: May 22, 2007, 08:57:34 AM »
<Anwyays, RD and the whole Indian team are PUSSIES >

There comes the declaration. I hope/wish you have the decency to take that back.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #176 on: May 22, 2007, 08:59:28 AM »
lets see how much time there is. and lets see if RD has the balls to declare with a lead of 225-250. expect us to tamely bat out the day

12.30pm local time With the second inspection the umpires concluded that play could well start by 2pm local time with an inspection half an hour before that. Tea will be taken at 3.30pm and a total of 55 overs of play seems possible.

So, knowing that bad light will force players off a hour before schedueld close, a max of 40 overs is possible. Will RD be bold enough to declare giving BD a target of 193 in 55 overs, realistically 40 overs....... IMO, we should go for the kill. I don't think BD will anyways go for the win. It'll be a good test for VRV, RPS, and RP.

Agree. But the Bang batsmen have the option of declining the bad light offer

we've seen many instances when batters are forced off since the itz too dark to play.

yeah, like in the WC final ;)
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #177 on: May 22, 2007, 09:10:35 AM »
Declaration = Indian team playing for money!

Remember, they get a higher bonus for wins!!!!!!!
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #178 on: May 22, 2007, 09:14:42 AM »
Reading Cricinfo's commentary it appears that ZK is back to his old habits ... wayward to begin a spell, letting the pressure off ...

now hope he gets a wicket and proves me wrong
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #179 on: May 22, 2007, 09:29:35 AM »
<Anwyays, RD and the whole Indian team are PUSSIES >

There comes the declaration. I hope/wish you have the decency to take that back.

Nope. As I said in one of my earlier posts, we should have declared at least when the required run rate was around 4-4.5. Need not wait for it to touch 6 an over. Now, we are scared that BD will chase down a target in excess of 200 on the 5th day when their highest ODI chase has been 249 till now. Also, realistically, we will not even bowl 43 overs, we will only bowl 30 overs because of bad light. It makes this over cautious play moronic and stupid. RD is Rombo Dumbbu and whole Indian team too.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #180 on: May 22, 2007, 09:32:08 AM »
Ok, so we have a game when once it seemed headed for a dullish draw. India have made a sporting declaration. Bangladesh need 250 off 43 overs at less than six runs per over.

Cricinfo became Crookinfo. Now we can change Cricinfo to Crackinfo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D :D :D

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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #181 on: May 22, 2007, 10:52:36 AM »
Isn't it going to rain any more today...?
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #182 on: May 22, 2007, 10:54:35 AM »
Isn't it going to rain any more today...?

Why, don't you want to enjoy an upset? :)
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #183 on: May 22, 2007, 03:20:08 PM »
All those fools who were asking about the declaration, read below, and don't dare you laugh:

Declaration our only chance: Dravid

Harish Kotian in Chittagong | May 22, 2007 20:00 IST
India captain Rahul Dravid on Tuesday said the bold declaration on the fifth and final day of the first Test in Chittagong was their only chance to force a result.

Inclement weather had eaten nearly half of the playing time and India tried to make up for it. The visitors declared their second innings at 100 for 6, setting Bangladesh a target of 250 in 43 overs, which they didn't bother having a go at.


"We had to give them a bit of target. We hoped they would play positively and go for the target. We hoped to take some early wickets and then anything could have happened, and that was the thought process. But after the first wicket they played sensibly and there was not much swing for us in the second innings," Dravid said.


Opener Javed Omar top-scored with 52 not out, adding 70 runs with captain Habibul Bashar (37) to thwart the Indian bowlers in the final session of play.


The Indian bowlers had a decent outing in the first innings, especially left-arm pacer RP Singh who took 3 for 45 as Bangladesh were bowled out for 238.


"The conditions were not exactly suitable for them to bowl fast. RP Singh ran in and bowled with a lot enthusiasm. He has improved a lot than we had seen him in the past. It is matter of playing a lot of overs for guys like VRV Singh and RP and it is critical for them," he added.


Veteran spinner Anil Kumble was down with fever and could not bowl in both the innings and his services were sorely missed by the inexperienced Indian bowling attack. Dravid said his Karnataka teammate should be fine for the second Test, which begins in Dhaka on May 25.


"Kumble should be alright. It is just a fever. You know a lot of Bangladesh bowlers got affected by that in the last week. Unfortunately Anil got it during the game. It was a blow for us in this sort of conditions," he said.


For India it was a complete turnaround in fortunes after reducing Bangladesh to 149 for 8 in their first innings. Mashrafe Mortaza, however, rescued the hosts with a brilliant knock of 79, adding 77 runs for the ninth wicket with Shahadat Hossain, who made 31. That innings helped the hosts avoid the follow on and that proved critical in the final analysis.


"After the first day, when we were at 295 for three, we were in a position to control the Test. It was good to see after winning a good toss you bat well and score runs at quick rate. At that stage we were definitely in the driver's seat. After that it was a stop-start game and there was not enough cricket for us to force a result. Probably our only chance was make them follow on, but that ninth wicket partnership really hindered us from enforcing the follow on," the Indian captain said.


Dravid paid rich tributes to Mortaza, saying Bangladesh is lucky to have a player like him in their team.


"Mortaza is a terrific cricketer and Bangladesh is lucky to have such a cricketer. He is a very good trier with the ball and his contribution down the order with the bat is also important for Bangladesh. He did well in the World Cup and this match especially. He is developing as a genuine all-rounder and there not many around at the moment, especially fast bowing all-rounder," he said.


Bangladesh gave India a few worries when they reduced them to 100 for 6 in the final morning, having claimed four wickets. Also their batsmen had no real problems countering the Indian batting in the final session as they eased to 104 for 2 in 28 overs before agreeing for a draw.


But Dravid believes there were no real worries for his team in the match.


"They were struggling at one stage and we were trying to set up a game at that stage. If they think they have psychological edge; good luck to them. I am not here to win any psychological battle.


"It's going to start 0-0 in the next game. I can't think of any stage when we were doing the chase. First day we ended on 295 for three, and next day we went out looking for runs knowing that we have only 20 overs and that again was a strategy. I can't think of time when we were under any sort of pressure at all," he added.


The right-hander admitted it was frustrating to miss out playing because of the weather. But he added with the busy international calendar ahead for India, this was the only available time to tour Bangladesh.


"Ideally, the timing of the series could have been better. But schedules are cramped; over cramped if you ask me, so I don't know how we are going to fit everything in. The solution is that we have to get the scheduling right and try to get certain number of Test and ODIs and try not to exceed that number and plan your tours well and prepare for your tours well. At the end of the day, quality is important and as an international player you want to provide quality cricket to people," the 34-year-old said.

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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #184 on: May 22, 2007, 05:10:24 PM »
JFK,
Even if RD had declared with 4.5 RRR, Bangles would have played safe and drawn it. Why are you going ballistic abt the 4-4.5 RRR?
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #185 on: May 22, 2007, 05:33:46 PM »
JFK,
Even if RD had declared with 4.5 RRR, Bangles would have played safe and drawn it. Why are you going ballistic abt the 4-4.5 RRR?

Then why even bother to declare.

210 in 50 overs is more enticing than 250 in 43 overs. So a decent chance that BD may go for it. In fact, for an opponent who does not know how to win a test match, an overnight declaration would have been the best option, although I would not have expected any Indian captain, let alone RD do that.

What I am amazed is how the media is going ballistic about Dravid's "SPORTING" declaraion.

IMO, it is a very stupid declaration, without any purpose, just like we pretended to try to win at Nagpur vs. Eng and in WI. It was a decision by a captain and team that had a negative mindset and was afraid to lose. A team that was scared of losing to BD can go nowhere IMO.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #186 on: May 22, 2007, 06:10:52 PM »
What RD did is understandble from his position or any other captain in his position (not taking the risk of losing to BD immediately after a WC loss). But there was nothing SPORTING or BOLD about the declaration.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #187 on: May 22, 2007, 06:26:26 PM »
Agreed there was nothing bold about it, since we were safe when he declared.

But as schumi says - given the current environment, we cannot afford to give any slight whiff of winning chance to Bangles. Even if India bowled well (assume they did), if Bangles played out of their skin - they might have been able to pull off a stunning victory at RRR 4.0 (very minor chance but a real chance - thats what ur asking for - to give Bangles an outside BUT realistic chance of going for win)

Then perhaps you, DD and jiet will say - well played Bangles, they did incredibly well. But that is a minority.

RD will be severely criticized for letting Bangles win a dead match! I dont think any Indian captain Rombo Dumbu or SG or Kapil Dev(just an example) or whoever be it, given the current fragile state after WC07 that Ind cricket and players are in, will attempt to give a whiff of win to Bangles.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #188 on: May 22, 2007, 08:06:03 PM »
yeah i think declaring overnight would have been very bold, but granted the state of the pitch and the lack of kumble its good they didnt do that. turned out well too.
i think the ideal would have been 220-230 in 50 overs (we would have needed to bat faster). when the game was quit, BD needed 150 in 15. take away 20-30 runs and add 5 overs. i think we'd have had a better chance with that. anyways we bowled rather poorly - didnt look too bothered with the poor fielding and dropped catches going unnoticed (no emotion). hope we cream them in the next 2 and a half day match.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #189 on: May 22, 2007, 08:34:57 PM »
If RD was trying to force a result, I am amused. When you are bowling last, you can easily kill time and there is now way they would have had enough time/light to get close to us even if we had set 220. Probably not the biggest mistake that RD has made...let's leave it at that.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #190 on: May 23, 2007, 03:47:11 AM »
The declaration was definitely not bold; it was the safest one possible. The only bold thing India did in this match was to play five bowlers.

Looking at how the bowlers bowled - especially ZK and RPS - I have full sympathy with RD for not declaring earlier.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #191 on: May 23, 2007, 04:20:45 AM »
Agreed there was nothing bold about it, since we were safe when he declared.

Yes. I found it very funny when all channels were going gaga over this bold and sporting declaration by Dravid  :icon_jokercolor: :icon_jokercolor:

But as schumi says - given the current environment, we cannot afford to give any slight whiff of winning chance to Bangles. Even if India bowled well (assume they did), if Bangles played out of their skin - they might have been able to pull off a stunning victory at RRR 4.0 (very minor chance but a real chance - thats what ur asking for - to give Bangles an outside BUT realistic chance of going for win)

Lackluster bowling may have been because it was tapering into a dead game once we did not couple of early wickets. I don't think there was a realistic chance of India losing once the RRR was more than 4. Even if we bowled badly and BD batted out of their skins, we could have easily bowled negatively and slowed down and delayed the game to ensure that we did not lose the game. If for e.g., the target was 210 in 50 overs, a team can easily get away with bowling only 35-40 overs, which makes the realistic RRR 5.25-6.

Yes, I wanted to BD to realistically go for the target, so that India had the best chance of winning. RD must have been on CRACK if he thought BD would go for a target of 250 in 43 overs !!!

RD will be severely criticized for letting Bangles win a dead match! I dont think any Indian captain Rombo Dumbu or SG or Kapil Dev(just an example) or whoever be it, given the current fragile state after WC07 that Ind cricket and players are in, will attempt to give a whiff of win to Bangles.

As I already said earlier, no indian captain would have done it whatever the state of the team was because fo fear of media flak and general insecurity w.r.t. captaincy and place in the team itself. And I don't blame them. I don't recall any bold declaration by us in the past. BCCI is not a professional body and is full of politics and are like vultures waiting to pounce on one mistake by the players. Risk taking is not encouraged, which is one of the reasons why we are stagnant while other nations are moving forward in cricket.
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #192 on: May 23, 2007, 04:22:24 AM »
The declaration was definitely not bold; it was the safest one possible. The only bold thing India did in this match was to play five bowlers.

Well, wasn't RD captaining the team itself a very bold move  :icon_jokercolor:

Looking at how the bowlers bowled - especially ZK and RPS - I have full sympathy with RD for not declaring earlier.

He probably also took his Rombo Dumbbu captaincy into account ;)
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Re: Match Thread.. Ind vs Ban : 1st test Chittagong
« Reply #193 on: May 23, 2007, 04:30:56 AM »
The declaration was definitely not bold; it was the safest one possible. The only bold thing India did in this match was to play five bowlers.

Well, wasn't RD captaining the team itself a very bold move  :icon_jokercolor:

Looking at how the bowlers bowled - especially ZK and RPS - I have full sympathy with RD for not declaring earlier.

He probably also took his ROmbo Dumbbu captaincy into account ;)

Both of the above are factors that the BCCI should take into account ... not anyone in the team ;)
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