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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #80 on: April 22, 2007, 08:33:38 AM »
Alphonsoes RULE!!! 3$ is a steal for the taste of King of Mangoes

Try the Benarasi Langra someday.

Also, I know you can't [because its very rare], but do try if u can the Koh-i-toor, created for and still grown ONLY in the mango-orchard of Nawab Siraj-ud-Dowla.
Went to Benaras for engineering... know the taste of Langda, Dushehri etc...still would submit, nothing beats HAPUS. 



This is how I would rate the two:

Rated out of a max 10 in each category     Alphonso [Hapus]                       Benarasi Langra

Taste [sweetness/Tartness ratio]           8                                               9
Both are excellent, though except for the very best, Alphonsos seem to me a bit too much on the tarty side. Most other great mango varieties would fail here. Both Dussheri and Himsagar are sweet without any tartness. Begumphuli, Sindoori, Gulab Khus are too tarty.

Flavour [Aroma]                                   6                                              10
This is because the Alphonso aroma imho falls in the same family as that of Begumphuli, Sindoori, Gulab Khus etc. The aroma of Langra is unique, and not overbearing as in the case of B,S and GK and sometimes even A.

Texture of pulp                                      9                                               6
Alphonsoes do not have any fibre, which is good. They also hold well, but are not crunchy. Langras develop fibre later in the season, or if overripe. They hold well equally, and are slightly more pulpy than Alphonsoes. But they have more juice.

Skin                                                      8                                                4
Both look great when ripe, emerald green for Langras and golden yellow for Alphonsoes, and both are easy to peel. However, Alphonsoes score big over Langras because their skin is strong and not delicate, and thus are ideal for carriage and storage. Langras do not keep well, and are hard to carry coz the slightest of contacts destroys them.

Delicacy                                                    7                                                  9
Ultimately, what we love to consume depends a lot on how the products affect our imagination and sense of well being. In that respect, Alphonsoes are rarer to find, thus have added haute value. However, they cost more and as most here will agree, the price seems unjustified. In comparison, Langras grow aplenty, cost less but are infinitely more delicate. As Miles Raymond says about pinot grapes as opposed to cabs, in the film "Sideways", "It's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's not a survivor like Cabernet... ... Pinot needs constant care and attention"; so I'd say about Langras : They are temperamental and thin skinned, and not hardy survivors like the Alphonsoes, indeed, they need constant care and attention.

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Total :::::                                                  38/50                                              38/50


Overall, Alphonso [hapus] mangoes have many things going for them. Especially the added status accorded to them as prized exports [largely imho because they are easier to pack and transport]. Good enough. I just hope Langras are never exported. Because they taste so beeping good!




FP, what are you, a mangollier?  ;D what's with indians and their obsession for mangoes anyway? so many other fruits around!


Naah, me a simple plebian, unlike u, who has travelled the world and tasted esoteric food. I do not befit fancy phoren titles.

I'm sure you also like fried cockroaches, grasshoppers, surstromming and the like, just bcoz they are esoteric and phoren.

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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2007, 09:01:13 AM »
Alphonsoes RULE!!! 3$ is a steal for the taste of King of Mangoes

Try the Benarasi Langra someday.

Also, I know you can't [because its very rare], but do try if u can the Koh-i-toor, created for and still grown ONLY in the mango-orchard of Nawab Siraj-ud-Dowla.
Went to Benaras for engineering... know the taste of Langda, Dushehri etc...still would submit, nothing beats HAPUS. 



This is how I would rate the two:

Rated out of a max 10 in each category     Alphonso [Hapus]                       Benarasi Langra

Taste [sweetness/Tartness ratio]           8                                               9
Both are excellent, though except for the very best, Alphonsos seem to me a bit too much on the tarty side. Most other great mango varieties would fail here. Both Dussheri and Himsagar are sweet without any tartness. Begumphuli, Sindoori, Gulab Khus are too tarty.

Flavour [Aroma]                                   6                                              10
This is because the Alphonso aroma imho falls in the same family as that of Begumphuli, Sindoori, Gulab Khus etc. The aroma of Langra is unique, and not overbearing as in the case of B,S and GK and sometimes even A.

Texture of pulp                                      9                                               6
Alphonsoes do not have any fibre, which is good. They also hold well, but are not crunchy. Langras develop fibre later in the season, or if overripe. They hold well equally, and are slightly more pulpy than Alphonsoes. But they have more juice.

Skin                                                      8                                                4
Both look great when ripe, emerald green for Langras and golden yellow for Alphonsoes, and both are easy to peel. However, Alphonsoes score big over Langras because their skin is strong and not delicate, and thus are ideal for carriage and storage. Langras do not keep well, and are hard to carry coz the slightest of contacts destroys them.

Delicacy                                                    7                                                  9
Ultimately, what we love to consume depends a lot on how the products affect our imagination and sense of well being. In that respect, Alphonsoes are rarer to find, thus have added haute value. However, they cost more and as most here will agree, the price seems unjustified. In comparison, Langras grow aplenty, cost less but are infinitely more delicate. As Miles Raymond says about pinot grapes as opposed to cabs, in the film "Sideways", "It's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's not a survivor like Cabernet... ... Pinot needs constant care and attention"; so I'd say about Langras : They are temperamental and thin skinned, and not hardy survivors like the Alphonsoes, indeed, they need constant care and attention.

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Total :::::                                                  38/50                                              38/50


Overall, Alphonso [hapus] mangoes have many things going for them. Especially the added status accorded to them as prized exports [largely imho because they are easier to pack and transport]. Good enough. I just hope Langras are never exported. Because they taste so beeping good!




FP, what are you, a mangolier?  ;D what's with indians and their obsession for mangoes anyway? so many other fruits around!


Just because its Indian its not bad right??

Iam sure you meant it in jest but to me it smacks of the culture propogated by the kind of global Indians who bascially spare no opportunity to look down up everything Indian either in jest or in utmost seriousness...
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2007, 09:13:23 AM »
Alphonsoes RULE!!! 3$ is a steal for the taste of King of Mangoes

Try the Benarasi Langra someday.

Also, I know you can't [because its very rare], but do try if u can the Koh-i-toor, created for and still grown ONLY in the mango-orchard of Nawab Siraj-ud-Dowla.
Went to Benaras for engineering... know the taste of Langda, Dushehri etc...still would submit, nothing beats HAPUS. 

I agree having had tried a lot of different mangoes, I would also state that Hapus comes first but a very close second (maybe a equal first??) is the Pakistani Mango (dont know the name) I tried it for the first time last year and loved it...

See my responses above. Honey Mango ---> Sindhri.

That would be what I have referred to as Sindoori. Green skin with red blush towards the top, medium sweet but quite tarty, whitish flesh, with a strong aroma. Similar varieties are found in Costa Rica etc.

IMHO, they dont hold water over Langras or even Alphonsoes.

I wont even bring Koh-i-toor into the discussion.

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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2007, 10:01:48 AM »
Alphonsoes RULE!!! 3$ is a steal for the taste of King of Mangoes

Try the Benarasi Langra someday.

Also, I know you can't [because its very rare], but do try if u can the Koh-i-toor, created for and still grown ONLY in the mango-orchard of Nawab Siraj-ud-Dowla.
Went to Benaras for engineering... know the taste of Langda, Dushehri etc...still would submit, nothing beats HAPUS. 

Presenting HAPUS...Yeh hi hai right choice baby, aha! :icon_jokercolor:
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2007, 10:22:39 AM »

Just because its Indian its not bad right??

Iam sure you meant it in jest but to me it smacks of the culture propogated by the kind of global Indians who bascially spare no opportunity to look down up everything Indian either in jest or in utmost seriousness...

EH?
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #85 on: April 22, 2007, 10:28:23 AM »
Naah, me a simple plebian, unlike u, who has travelled the world and tasted esoteric food. I do not befit fancy phoren titles.

I'm sure you also like fried cockroaches, grasshoppers, surstromming and the like, just bcoz they are esoteric and phoren.

how sad! the next time i travel around, i will remember to pick up a pack of chocolate coated scorpions for you. ;D

btw, even in india, there are other fruits, ya know. for instance, i enjoy the different varieties of banana found in places like kerala. i love the jackfruit as well. never understood the national obsession with mangoes.

 
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #86 on: April 22, 2007, 05:33:46 PM »
Alphonsoes RULE!!! 3$ is a steal for the taste of King of Mangoes

Try the Benarasi Langra someday.

Also, I know you can't [because its very rare], but do try if u can the Koh-i-toor, created for and still grown ONLY in the mango-orchard of Nawab Siraj-ud-Dowla.
Went to Benaras for engineering... know the taste of Langda, Dushehri etc...still would submit, nothing beats HAPUS. 

I agree having had tried a lot of different mangoes, I would also state that Hapus comes first but a very close second (maybe a equal first??) is the Pakistani Mango (dont know the name) I tried it for the first time last year and loved it...

See my responses above. Honey Mango ---> Sindhri.

That would be what I have referred to as Sindoori. Green skin with red blush towards the top, medium sweet but quite tarty, whitish flesh, with a strong aroma. Similar varieties are found in Costa Rica etc.

IMHO, they dont hold water over Langras or even Alphonsoes.

I wont even bring Koh-i-toor into the discussion.



No. Honey Mangoes are yellow and completely yellow. As yellow as you get. Probably we are talking about two different mangoes.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2007, 08:07:41 PM »
Vincent,
Are these Sindhri? This is what I found on the web.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2007, 06:56:37 AM »
Vincent,
Are these Sindhri? This is what I found on the web.



Yes, these are the Honey Mangoes. Sindhri is one variety. There are others. But the generic marketing brand name is Honey Mangoes. In general, they look like above. Sometimes they are bigger.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #89 on: April 24, 2007, 04:03:21 AM »
Vincent,
Are these Sindhri? This is what I found on the web.



Yes, these are the Honey Mangoes. Sindhri is one variety. There are others. But the generic marketing brand name is Honey Mangoes. In general, they look like above. Sometimes they are bigger.


Sindhri to me looks to be a close relative of the Chausa then. If so, its not even close to the Dussehri, which share the same growing region and season, imho.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2007, 07:15:36 AM »
Vincent,
Are these Sindhri? This is what I found on the web.



Yes, these are the Honey Mangoes. Sindhri is one variety. There are others. But the generic marketing brand name is Honey Mangoes. In general, they look like above. Sometimes they are bigger.


The Pakistani mangoes that Iam talking about are green on the outside and yellow/bordering on orange on the inside. Much smaller than the ones in the picture.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #91 on: April 24, 2007, 07:27:04 AM »
Vincent,
Are these Sindhri? This is what I found on the web.



Yes, these are the Honey Mangoes. Sindhri is one variety. There are others. But the generic marketing brand name is Honey Mangoes. In general, they look like above. Sometimes they are bigger.


Yes. Those belong also to the "Honey Mango" family. I do not know the Pakistani name for them.

The Pakistani mangoes that Iam talking about are green on the outside and yellow/bordering on orange on the inside. Much smaller than the ones in the picture.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2007, 03:16:21 AM »
Vincent,
Are these Sindhri? This is what I found on the web.



Yes, these are the Honey Mangoes. Sindhri is one variety. There are others. But the generic marketing brand name is Honey Mangoes. In general, they look like above. Sometimes they are bigger.

Vincent,
I have had these in the Middle East but I honestly don't think they compare to Alphonso mangoes.

....red blush towards the top, medium sweet but quite tarty, whitish flesh, with a strong aroma. Similar varieties are found in Costa Rica etc.
...

Are we still talking mangoes?
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2007, 01:23:07 PM »
....red blush towards the top, medium sweet but quite tarty, whitish flesh, with a strong aroma. Similar varieties are found in Costa Rica etc.
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Are we still talking mangoes?

With dirty minds like yours around, could we?
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« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2007, 02:08:47 PM »
And now, some delicious mango stories.




Of flying mangoes & Chinese welcome

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THE weirdest mango story I have heard of, concerns the assassination of the Pakistani President General Zia-ul-Haq in 1988. When he was killed in the crash of his presidential aircraft near Bahawalpur, there was no clue except that he had been assassinated by forces unknown. Even the usually suspect CIA had been excluded from suspicion, as Arnold Raphael, the US Ambassador to Pakistan too had died in that tragic event.

But later, Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan’s lady politician, provided some clues or rather divinations, about the incident which made sense. It appears, that in the early 1980s, Bhutto visited Bangladesh and during her travels went to see a famous Muslim pir of that country. The pir was well-known for his predictions and after talking to him Bhutto was tempted to ask, "When will the assassin of my father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1977, namely General Zia-ul-Haq, die?" The pir closed his eyes for a few moments and then said, "When the mangoes fly, he will die!" Ms Bhutto could not make much of this statement then and the pir was not willing to elaborate. Years later, as the enquiry into Zia-ul-Haq’s assassination proceeded, it was learnt that at the very last moment, two basket loads of mangoes had been kept in his aircraft in Multan by unknown parties, just prior to departure. The Pakistani and US intelligence services had concluded that the bombs or explosives had been hidden in those baskets and verily, as the mangoes flew apart due to the explosion, Zia-ul-Haq, the murderer of Bhutto’s father died!

The second story, this time a rather hilarious one, also concerns a basket of mangoes gifted, by then Pakistani Head of State to the Chinese President Mao-Tse Tung in the 1960s. Those days, though China had its own variety of mangoes, this "political" gift from neighbouring Pakistan was welcomed with a lot of fanfare and Mao gifted the fruits to various factories around China as a mark of his appreciation to the workers in those establishments. One of Mao’s biographers, describes that as the sole mango arrived at one of the factories, it was welcomed by the entire board of directors and ceremoniously kept in the central hall of the factory. Workers marched past or rather joyously greeted the mango, the symbol of the great leader’s appreciation of their effort to develop China as a leading nation. But soon it was evident that the particular mango was after all "mortal" and the factory chiefs found it — "deteriorating". But all the workers of the particular area had not marched past the great mango. A botanist was summoned and he injected chemicals to preserve the mango, till all the proletariat could complete paying their respects.

It is a fact that many people are fanatical about mangoes. One of the reasons that the relations between Emperor Shahjahan and his recalcitrant son (later Emperor Aurangzeb) went sour in the 17th century, seems to be the fact that, as the Viceroy of the Great Mughal in Deccan, Aurangzeb did not pay sufficient care in ensuring, that his father got the Deccani mangoes in time. As the former Viceroy of Deccan during his father Emperor Jehangir’s time, Shahjahan had developed a taste for the mangoes of Hyderabad and bore the grudge against his own son for not ensuring their regular supply.

Three centuries later in the 1950s, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru was conversant with the high-sounding names for mangoes in different parts of India and once, when during an economics seminar, somebody mentioned the word "shahi pasand", he wanted to know where that particular mango came from.The embarrassed economist told him that this word was the Hindi translation of the economic, term "imperial preference" and Nehru amusedly walked away. Nehru had decreed that only Alphonso mangoes from Ratnagiri in Maharashtra were to be sent to foreign VIPs. He ensured that there was a sufficient supply of these fruits with him during his visits abroad as the Prime Minister. But he did not want his "personal" gifts to his foreign friends to be carried abroad on government expense. Chairman of Air-India, late J.R.D. Tata mentions, that Nehru had asked him to bill him "separately" for any mangoes he was taking on Air-India flights for his non-official friends and had mentioned the number of baskets. JRD chivalrously wrote back to Nehru, that it was a privilege for Air-India to carry mangoes for the Prime Minister of India and requested the "permission not to charge". Once a request came from an eminent Russian statesman for mangoes and Alphonsos were out of season. As it is known, the mango season in India lasts from February to August, the last in the batch being mangoes from South India. Some knowledgeable person suggested the famous Neelam variety from Tamil Nadu but Nehru vetoed the proposal. But the connoisseur-adviser persisted and the Indian Prime Minister consented for the despatch only after he tasted the Neelam.

In Europe, especially in Britain, mangoes were known for centuries. But due to the long delay of sea transport, the India-returned-Britishers resident there, were not able to savour the varieties, they had savoured in abundance in India. The honour of getting the UK elite to taste the fresh mangoes, goes to the eminent industrialist J.N. Tata, who in the last decades of the 19th century, ensured that the mangoes withstood the three-week journey.

In South India, one apocryphal story is current about an Indian king, who in the 16th century allowed Europeans to take away exotic local plant cuttings. When his prime minister protested against this misplaced generosity, the king is said to have exclaimed, "I gave away only the plants, but not the climate in which they grow!" A striking proof of the above adage came, when in the late 1950s, horitculturists in the USA tried their best to grow the Alphonso in Florida. But despite the great care and agriculturally savvy manner with which the trees were tended, the American Alphonso proved no match for the Indian variety and Americans have more or less abandoned their efforts, consoling themselves with the fact that "tolerably" good mangoes grow in Florida.

Mango juice exports were one of our major exports to communist countries during the cold war (and even today) and I remember one Indian businessman disconsolately telling me in Moscow, that the Russians did a lot to research in finding out the seasonal variations of the mango crop and knew to the last paisa as to how much the juice costs per kilo litre during the price negotiations. If you offer them mango juice fromTamil Nadu at a certain price, the Russians would laughingly counter with a lower quotations from Karnataka! And invariably they were correct.
How to eat mangoes without worrying about the resultant damage to one’s clothes by the juice is a problem that still preoccupied many mango lovers. One famous Indian mango "King from Gujarat, did perfect in the 1960s a novel "scoop" that will get you the flesh of the mango without spilling the juice. But it did not "take off".

One eminent British novelist claims, that during his sojourns in Bombay, he used to order Alphonso mango baskets, immerse himself in the Taj Mahal hotel bath tub filled with water and eat the mangoes in great relaxation. Maybe that is the only correct way.

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« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2007, 04:07:28 PM »
Vincent,
Very interesting anecdote.
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« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2007, 04:19:31 PM »
you will all be pleased to know that im getting my first taste of alphonso mangoes today :D
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« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2007, 04:36:30 PM »
you will all be pleased to know that im getting my first taste of alphonso mangoes today :D

Canuck-land gets that?
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« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2007, 05:33:01 PM »
I think there is something called Mango-Express run by DHL/Rediff. You may be able to have them shipped.

On the above set of anectodes, I should add that Neelam is one of my all time favorite mangoes since I grew up with them (they also grow in coastal in Karnataka). They also can live long  due to their thick skin.
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« Reply #99 on: April 26, 2007, 04:17:33 PM »
After 18 yrs, mangoes leave for US today

A consignment of mangoes is likely to leave for the US on Thursday, the first time after 18 years. The New York-bound fruits will be the second success story in a row for the King of Fruits. Last year, Indian mangoes were exported to Japan for the first time after a gap of 20 years.

"The first trial consignment of 7.2 quintals of mangoes is likely to leave the Mumbai port tomorrow for New York. This shipment has two varieties, Alphonso and Kesar. We have got a telephonic message from the US regarding regulatory clearance," said KS Money, chairman of the Agricultural and Processed Food Products Export Development Authority.

Another cause for cheer is that India scores over Pakistan in supplying mangoes to the US as the neighbours were trying to gain access to the US mango market for sometime now. However, Pakistan has not been able to export any mangoes so far.

The US banned mangoes from India 18 years ago over concerns that Indian farmers used too much of pesticides, including the banned ones.

The lifting of the ban on mango export to the US was among the major successes of the trade policy forum that was announced 18 months ago by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US President George Bush.

Apeda has set up an irradiation facility at Lasalgaon (Maharashtra) in association with Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, for disinfecting and improving the shelf life of mangoes for export to US.

In return, for allowing mango exports to the US, the Indian government on April 13 relaxed emission and testing norms for the import of Harley Davidson bikes.

The size of US mango market is about 250,000 tonnes. At present, the Mexican varieties dominate the US market.

Commercially, there would be no immediate gains from mango exports to the US but in the long run it would grow into a big market, said Money, adding that Apeda is also planning to organise a Mango Festival in the US sometime in May-June this year.

Major export markets for Indian mangoes are Bangladesh, West Asia, South-East Asia, Britain and other European countries.

During the year 2004-05, Indian mango exports was at 52,000 tonnes, which went up to 58,000 tonnes in 2005-06. India is the largest producer of mango in the world, with an estimated annual production of 12 million tonnes against the total world production of 24 million tonnes.

The mango season in India is mainly from February to August, while the major mango producing states are Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Bihar.

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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2007, 08:23:43 AM »
And here you have enough mangoes for us all...  ::cheers::



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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #101 on: May 08, 2007, 12:32:59 AM »
Now on NPR's All Things Considered..

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10057780

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U.S. Braces for (Indian) Mango Madness
 
All Things Considered, May 7, 2007 · Imports of Indian mangoes, which already account for almost half the world's mango output, are expected to hit U.S. stores over the next month. A new trade agreement lifts a U.S. ban on Indian varieties of the fruit that was implemented in the mid-1980s over concerns about fruit flies.

Bhaskar Savani, a Philadelphia dentist who was among the first to import Indian mangoes under the new rules, tells Robert Siegel that American mango-eaters have been missing out for years.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #102 on: May 09, 2007, 05:07:23 PM »
Interesting Mango Lassi Cocktail recipe...
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http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_31388,00.html
Mango Lassi Cocktail
Recipe courtesy Sandra Lee
See this recipe on air Wednesday May. 09 at 12:30 PM ET/PT.
Show:     Semi-Homemade Cooking with Sandra Lee http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_sh/0,1976,FOOD_14521,00.html
Episode:     Indian Dinner
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_sh/episode/0,1976,FOOD_14521_38712,00.html
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1 cup fresh pre-cut or canned mango
1 cup non-fat vanilla yogurt
1/2 cup mango nectar/juice
1 cup vanilla vodka
Ice
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Put all ingredients in a blender and whip until frothy. Serve.
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I also like the Chai Ice Cream from the same episode.
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Re: Mango Season...
« Reply #103 on: May 09, 2007, 05:35:07 PM »
I love also Mango Ice Cream. That is what I eat whenever I have a chance to visit some of those Ice Cream Parlours in India. Mango Icevream made out of Alphonso mangios is great. One can not get it outside India unless you make it yourself.
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I love also Mango Ice Cream. That is what I eat whenever I have a chance to visit some of those Ice Cream Parlours in India. Mango Icevream made out of Alphonso mangios is great. One can not get it outside India unless you make it yourself.
Actually the "Kulfi" version of the ice cream is the best. Not the refrigerated one.. the one made in "matka" (Earthern pot) or using the machine in which you manually rotate the central ice cream container that is sorrounded with Ice and Salt. The softness of that kulfi (specially if it has malai or rabdi in it) cannot be replicated through refrigeration.
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